Gather out ALL THINGS THAT OFFEND
Gather out ALL THINGS THAT OFFEND
JackS,
I am willing to cease from labeling Dee Dee as an idiot if Dee Dee and her followers will cease from branding me as being "dishonest".
And I am not "pursing Dee Dee".I will no longer address her but I will examine her answers to the questions I have previously raised.She can do whatever she likes.
The following is Dee Dee´s answer to the parable of the "tares and wheat":
"Now back to the Kingdom parables. Jerry gets really excited because Jesus says that the field is “world” (Greek – cosmos). The entire context of the Book of Matthew is impending and rapidly approaching judgment upon the apostate Jews, and the kingdom parables cannot be wrested out of that context. It is speaking of the wresting of the kingdom away from the apostates and giving it to a nation bearing the fruits thereof (Matthew 21:43). This specific parable speaks of the “son of the wicked one,” whom Jesus had already specifically identified as the Jewish apostates (John 8:44) who thought they were the “sons of the kingdom.” The fact that the word “world” there does not absolutely HAVE to mean the entire globe. For example, Paul told the Romans that their faith was spoken of throughout the whole world (Greek- cosmos) (Romans 1:8). I doubt that the Aborigines had any clue about the faith of the Romans. And the obvious parallel here is Jesus’ comments in Matthew 24:14, “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world (different Greek word - oikoumene) as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.” Jesus thus tells us what He means by cosmos, by using a different word for the scope of the message prior to the end of the age, a word that simply means “the inhabited earth” or more specifically in common NT usage, “the Roman Empire.” Now was this accomplished before 70AD? Absolutely.
Colossians 1:5-6 – …because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel, which has come to you, as it has also in all the world, and is bringing forth fruit, as it is also among you since the day you heard and knew the grace of God in truth.
Colossians 1:23 – …if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.
Romans 16:25-26 – Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith.
Now Jerry is claiming that once Jesus does the purge of all evil people, the righteous that remain will eventually spawn children that will be deceived by satan near the end of the Millennium. Harrumph. Isaiah does not speak of accursed people merely living near “the end” of the Millennium, he speaks of them simply as a matter of course being mixed with the righteous. But Jerry missed the most fatal flaw, and that is that natural people still die, but Paul teaches that death is the LAST enemy which is DESTROYED when He returns to resurrect His saints (i.e. the rapture). It is impossible for any righteous people to die AFTER that point, and for there to be any enemies of Christ remaining (such as satan).
Notice at the end I demonstrated something fatal to Jerry’s position, but he ignored it thoroughly. Instead he asks if I believe all of the evil people were purged out the Roman Empire at 70AD. No I do not, and the passage, in harmony with the rest of Scripture (an idea that appeared to be foreign to Jerry during the debate), the context is the spreading of the gospel throughout the Roman empire and the purging of the apostate Old Covenant people of God (the purging of God’s “kingdom”) so that it may be given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. The Jews were purged and chastened throughout the whole Roman Empire."
So we can see that Dee Dee is saying that the kingdom parable of the "tares and the wheat" are in reference to "the purging of the apostate Old Covenant´people of God..."
However,there is absolutely no doubt that the Lord is speaking of ALL the "unrighteous" people in the whole inhabitated world:
"The field is the WORLD;the good seed are the children of the Kingdom,but the tares are the children of the wicked one...As,therefore,the tares are gathered and burned in the fire,so shall it be at the end of the age.The Son of Man shall send forth His angels,and they shall GATHER OUT OF HIS KINGDOM ALL THINGS THAT OFFEND"(Mt.13:38-41).
Words could not be plainer.All the "unrighteous" in the inhabited world will be gathered out of His kingdom at the end of the age.But since this does not match Dee Dee´s theories,she will not believe it.Instead,she continues to insist that only the apostae Jews are taken out of the kingdom.
She also insists that her response answers the Lord´s words that teach that ALL the "unrighteous" will be gathered out at the end of the age.Nothing could be further from the truth.
In His grace,--Jerry
