So, you'd rather try working yourself into Heaven huh? Do you
drink or overeat at times or are you pure as the driven snow?
OSAS is the swindle of the century!
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So, you'd rather try working yourself into Heaven huh? Do you
drink or overeat at times or are you pure as the driven snow?
I don't have a problem with what Paul preached, but I said what he preached is not required for salvation by grace through faith toward God.
You seem to me to believe that salvation is by knowledge of Paul's gospel.
Hey Dialm, watch what you eat tonight. Don't over do it. Don't sit there
and watch Cable tonight. Instead, clean your house, do the wash, paint
your house, milk the cow, feed the chickens and slop the hogs. Otherwise,
they'll call you lazy.
and watch Cable tonight. Instead, clean your house, do the wash, paint
your house, milk the cow, feed the chickens and slop the hogs. Otherwise,
they'll call you lazy.
Such ignorance is almost unheard of. But, you shined a light on yours.
Daniel1769
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Not just from Romans to Philemon...I defy anyone to show me a single person in the entire Bible that worked their way to heaven or lost their salvation. Salvation has ALWAYS been by grace alone through faith alone in the Lord alone. Because it is not earned by works, it cannot be lost by works. This is true from Genesis to Revelation. This idea that people were saved by works in the OT is anathema.
heir
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The very gospel that Paul preached (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth (Romans 1:16 KJV). You can't be saved and sealed unless you trust the Lord after hearing and believing it (Romans 10:17, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV) and since you don't believe "Paul's teachings" are "not required for salvation" you fall into the believe not category (2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJV) and have disqualified yourself from speaking about salvation.
Our salvation is trusting the Lord believing an event took place in our place. Our salvation is by grace though the faith and finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV, Titus 3:4-7 KJV). His faith and work is the why of the cross; that Christ died for our sins and that He was buried and rose again the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV). It is the gospel that Paul received by revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12 KJV) that was before a mystery (Romans 16:25-27 KJV, 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV) and is the only good news that will establish you (Romans 1:11 KJV, Romans 1:16 KJV, 1 Thessalonians 3:2 KJV).
Get saved by trusting the Lord believing IT!
Ananias and Sapphira haven't necessarily lost their salvation but it has been deferred to the second resurrection. They were not spiritually mature when they died.
Who said they were saved?
You misunderstand, I do believe Paul's teachings are not required for salvation. Why? Because God saved people for four thousand years before Paul.
You're going by your own opinion. Where's the Scripture backing it up?
If they weren't then they automatically go to the second resurrection.
Who says? You can't just make things up while you go along.
They automatically burn.
...in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel. (Romans 2:16 NKJV)
Keeping in mind that a person must die before they are judged.
And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment. (Hebrews 9:27 NKJV)
Paul taught his gospel from the Hebrew Bible. Is that what you do?
I don't understand what you're getting at?
For what reason would innocent people burn? That's ungodly.
What I'm getting at is that people can't be judged until their sins are paid. Then they are judged.
And I don't.
You're confused.