Only Y-H-W-H is God, besides Him there is no god!

[Right Divider]

So Jesus did not give up anything when he came to earth?!!!!

Now that was ignorant.

Jesus came to earth in the human body that God created for Him.

Other than that, He had no other kind of body.

You are an unscriptural knucklehead and I'm tired of your willful ignorance.

 

[Bright Raven]

Would you first explain what a Christopheny is and give me a scripture reference?

A Christophany is an Old Testament appearance of Christ. Example, the Angel of the Lord in Genesis Chapter 16.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus came to earth in the human body that God created for Him.

Other than that, He had no other kind of body.

You are an unscriptural knucklehead and I'm tired of your willful ignorance.

Jesus had no body in heaven, you say.

Jesus is the first born, he is the First and the Last.

 

[God's Truth]

God made the plan for salvation to be through Jesus. God made the plan for salvation to be through the body of Christ before anything was made, and, whereby He made the world and all things created, things seen and unseen.

 

[Right Divider]

Jesus had no body in heaven, you say.

That is correct. Go ahead and try to prove otherwise.

Jesus is the first born, he is the First and the Last.

The "first and the last", "the alpha and the omega" are both references to DEITY.

Something which ALL three persons of the godhead possess.

Once again, the term "first born" refers to His PREEMINENCE and not His physical birth.

 

[God's Truth]

That is correct. Go ahead and try to prove otherwise.


The "first and the last", "the alpha and the omega" are both references to DEITY.

Something which ALL three persons of the godhead possess.

Once again, the term "first born" refers to His PREEMINENCE and not His physical birth.

Could you show me the scripture in which you speak about the godhead?

 

[God's Truth]

That is correct. Go ahead and try to prove otherwise.

Jesus had a body in heaven before coming to earth.

The whole creation was made through that body.

He is the first born over all creation.

 

[Right Divider]

Jesus had a body in heaven before coming to earth.

SCRIPTURE!!!

JThe whole creation was made through that body.

SCRIPTURE!!!

He is the first born over all creation.

Yes, that is correct. ONCE AGAIN, the term "first born" is a reference to His PREEMINENCE.

 

[Right Divider]

Could you show me the scripture in which you speak about the godhead?

I guess that you don't have a Bible. That must be why you keep giving opinions instead of scripture.

 

[steko]

:hammer:

 

[God's Truth]

I guess that you don't have a Bible. That must be why you keep giving opinions instead of scripture.

Why won't you give the scripture? You don't want me to see how you did not quote it correctly?

 

[God's Truth]

SCRIPTURE!!!


SCRIPTURE!!!


Yes, that is correct. ONCE AGAIN, the term "first born" is a reference to His PREEMINENCE.

I keep giving you the scriptures.

See Colossians 1:15, and 16.

 

[Right Divider]

Jesus had a body in heaven before coming to earth.

The whole creation was made through that body.

Give the SCRIPTURE for THESE!!

 

[God's Truth]

Give the SCRIPTURE for THESE!!

Colossians 1:15, and 16.

 

[Right Divider]

I keep giving you the scriptures.

See Colossians 1:15, and 16.

These scriptures dot NOT support your bogus story.

 

[God's Truth]

These scriptures dot NOT support your bogus story.

Jesus is the FIRSTBORN. All things were created THROUGH him.

Are you saying that was not a body who walked in the garden with Adam and Eve?

Genesis 3:8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden.

 

[Notaclue]

Col.1:12 giving thanks unto the Father, who made us meet(qualified) to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light;
13who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love; 14in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins:
15who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto(into) him; 17and he is before all things, and in him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it was the good pleasure of the Father that in him should all the fulness dwell; 20and through him to reconcile all things unto himself, having made peace through the blood of his cross; through him, I say , whether things upon the earth, or things in the heavens.


Peace.

 

[Notaclue]

Bs"d

No they are not "all witnesses", because NOBODY saw him get up and walk out of the grave.

Why do you think that he was resurrected?

Even in the New Testament there is NOT ONE SINGLE WITNESS of his resurrection. No man saw him get up from the grave and walk away.

Oh, but he appeared to his disciples. Well, in that case, can you explain to me why nobody recognized him? Look in Luke 24:13-35. This speaks about the men on the road to Emmaus. He met them, but they didn't recognize him.

The same thing happens in John 20:14; "At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus. "Woman," he said, "why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?" Thinking he was the gardener, she said, ... "
She thought he was the gardener....

John 21:4 "Early in the morning, Jesus stood on the shore, but the disciples did not realize that it was Jesus. He called out to them, ..."

And again they didn't recognize him.

Isn't it strange that they didn't recognize the person with whom they were so close for years?

But the NT gives the answer to that strange phenomena. Look in Mark 16:12-13 "Afterward Jesus appeared IN A DIFFERENT FORM to two of them while they were walking in the country."
So it was a person "in a different form" from the previous well known person who appeared to them, that's why they didn't recognize him.

A person in different form from the old Christ, who was not recognized by the people he interacted with for years, only days before, doesn't that sounds like an impostor who is pretending to be the resurrected messiah?

That also explains why some of the disciples doubted when the "resurrected messiah" appeared to them: "When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted." Matt 28:17.

Can you imagine that the authentic messiah appears to you and you still doubt?
Apparently he was not so authentic.

If the disciples, who saw the "resurrected Christ" with their own eyes, still doubted, why then do the Christians 2000 years later, who have nothing to go by but stories, don't doubt?


"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?"
Jeremiah 16:19[/QUOTE.


Is.26:19. Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

20Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.


Is.52:1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.

2Shake thyself from the dust; arise, and sit down, O Jerusalem: loose thyself from the bands of thy neck, O captive daughter of Zion


Is.65:17. For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.



Is.66:6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
7Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

8Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.


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Isn't it strange that they didn't recognize the person with whom they were so close for years?


1Jn.3:1 See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God; and such we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.


What are your thoughts on the Seven Spirits of God? (Is11:1+2).


What are your teachings on being born from the dead, and being resurrected from the dead?


Peace.

 

[Apple7]

There is only one God and He is the Father...that is scripture.

οιδαμεν δε οτι ο υιος του θεου ηκει και δεδωκεν ημιν διανοιαν ινα γινωσκομεν τον αληθινον και εσμεν εν τω αληθινω εν τω υιω αυτου ιησου χριστω ουτος εστιν ο αληθινος θεος και ζωη αιωνιος

oidamen de hoti ho huios tou theou hēkei kai dedōken hēmin dianoian hina ginōskōmen ton alēthinon kai esmen en tō huiō autou Iēsou Christō houtos estin ho alēthinos theos kai zōē aiōnios

And we know that the Son of God has come, and He has given to us an understanding that we may know the true One, and we are in the true One, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and the life eternal. (1 John 5.20)

 

[Apple7]

Acts2:32. This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. 34For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says,

“‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at my right hand,
35 until I make your enemies your footstool.”’

36Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified


God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified


2Cor.3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom


Jn.14:15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, 17even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.
18“I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.


Gal.4:5 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.


Peace.

No mention that Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit.