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Jesus has a Spirit.
Since there is only one Spirit we go through, then Jesus' Spiri is God the Father's Spirit.
Only Y-H-W-H is God, besides Him there is no god!
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Jesus has a Spirit.
Since there is only one Spirit we go through, then Jesus' Spiri is God the Father's Spirit.
Ben Masada
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Perhaps because, when you read it, you do with Christian preconceived notions. Take a look at Acts 9:20. I consider the claim that Jesus was a son of God without a biological father worse than the claim that he resurrected being aware of the words of the Prophets of the Most High that, once dead no one will ever return from the grave. (II Samuel 12:23; Isaiah 26:14; Job 7:9; etc.
Apple7
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If you trust The Gospels as truth, then you must also agree that they state that Jesus is God.
Elia
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It just doesn't get more absurd than this.
"Thus says Y-H-W-H: ‘In those days ten men from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”
Zech 8:23
Apple7
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Still waiting for that silver bullet verse which plainly states that Jesus is The Holy Spirit.
Where is it...?
God's Truth
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Oh so you have been dabbling in the Eastern Orthodox denominations?
Go ahead and admit it so I can start exposing their wicked doctrines now.
Elia
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There is one God, Y-H-W-H, who IS one, and therefore not made up of three persons.
שמע ישראל י-ה-ו-ה אלהנו י-ה-ו-ה אחד
Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE.
And you shall love Y-H-W-H your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.
And these words which I command you this day shall be upon your heart;
and you shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise.
And you shall bind them as a sign upon your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.
And you shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.
Deut 6:4-9
The Jews until this day fulfill this commandment. Every morning they put upon their arm and upon their forehead their phylacteries, (prayer belts) that consist of black straps with black leather cubes, that contain parchment upon which is written this Biblical text that says that God is one. Upon the doorposts of the houses of the religious Jews there are small boxes or containers that also contain parchment upon which is written that God is one. During the morning and evening prayers the above text is recited which says that God is one.
Y-H-W-H, the one and only God who is one.
Beside Him there is no God, no Buddha, no Christ, no David Koresh; NOBODY.
Whoever worships anything or anybody else than Y-H-W-H is an IDOL WORSHIPPER.
So...what do you do with these two divine persons, both called YHVH, one on earth speaking to Abraham and one in heaven raining destruction on Sodom?
Gen 18:22 And the men turned from thence, and went toward Sodom; but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
Gen 18:23 And Abraham drew near, and said: 'Wilt Thou indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked?
Gen 18:33 And the LORD went His way, as soon as He had left off speaking to Abraham; and Abraham returned unto his place.
Gen 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;-KJV
Gen 19:24 Then the LORD caused to rain upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;-JPS
Gen 19:27 And Abraham got up early in the morning to the place where he had stood before the LORD.
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You admit you are a wolf and need a silver bullet.
Elia
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The usual trinitarian lie.
NOWHERE in the Bible is it written that God is three, three in one, a trinity, or anything like that.
It's a lie made up by man, which flies right in the face of the Biblical fact that God is one.
"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?"
Jeremiah 16:19
Elia
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God is not complex, GOD IS ONE.
"Thus says Y-H-W-H: ‘In those days ten men from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”
Zech 8:23
Elia
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Of course not. Somebody who worships a whole divine family and then says he only worships one God has serious mental problems.
"Thus says Y-H-W-H: ‘In those days ten men from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”
Zech 8:23
I've studied Church history and Patristics.
These deliberations took place also before singular Eastern Orthodoxy.
They were simply early believers wrestling with definitions of words and trying to make sense of the natures or GOD and Christ. No one in history has improved upon their narrow definition of terms and those that regularly depart from those terms inevitably fall into one side of heresy or the other.
Elia
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I don't do anything with that, because there is only one God:
You are trying to take the text: "Then Y-H-W-H rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from Y-H-W-H out of the heavens." to mean that there are 2 Y-H-W-H's, thereby ignoring all the Biblical evidence that tells us that there is only one God, Y-H-W-H who is ONE.
Compare this to the following: "Jack throws the ball to Tom, from Jack near the house".
Would anybody think that here is spoken about two Jacks? Of course not. It might be a little weird use of language, but considering that that Hebrew is 3300 years old, it might sound a bit outdated.
The Hebrew Bible teaches us time and time again that there is only one God, Y-H-W-H, who IS one.
"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, 'Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.' Will a man make gods for himself, which are not gods?"
Jeremiah 16:19
Elia
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Deuteronomy 4:35 “You were shown these things so that you might know that Y-H-W-H is God; besides him there is no other.”
Deuteronomy 4:39 “Acknowledge and take to heart this day that Y-H-W-H is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other.”
II Samuel 7:22 “How great you are, O Sovereign Y-H-W-H! There is no one like you, and there is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears.”
I Kings 8:60 “so that all the peoples of the earth may know that Y-H-W-H is God and that there is no other.”
I Chronicles 17:20 “There is no one like you, O Y-H-W-H, and there is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears.”
II Chronicles 6:14 “O Y-H-W-H, God of Israel, there is no God like you in heaven or on earth.”
Nehemiah 9:6 “You alone are Y-H-W-H.”
Isaiah 45:21-23 “You are my witnesses," declares Y-H-W-H, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me."
Isaiah 44:6 “This is what Y-H-W-H says- Israel's King and Redeemer, Y-H-W-H Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.”
Isaiah 45:5-6 “I am Y-H-W-H , and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me, so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting men may know there is none besides me."
Isaiah 45:21-23 “Declare what is to be, present it- let them take counsel together. Who foretold this long ago, who declared it from the distant past? Was it not I, Y-H-W-H? And there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me. Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.”
Joel 2:27 “Then you will know that I am in Israel, that I am Y-H-W-H your God, and that there is no other;”
Exodus 20:1-3 “And God spoke all these words: "I am Y-H-W-H your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME.”
Deuteronomy 4:35 “You were shown these things so that you might know that Y-H-W-H is God; besides him there is no other.”
Deuteronomy 4:39 “Acknowledge and take to heart this day that Y-H-W-H is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other.”
II Samuel 7:22 “How great you are, O Sovereign Y-H-W-H! There is no one like you, and there is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears.”
I Kings 8:60 “so that all the peoples of the earth may know that Y-H-W-H is God and that there is no other.”
I Chronicles 17:20 “There is no one like you, O Y-H-W-H, and there is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears.”
II Chronicles 6:14 “O Y-H-W-H, God of Israel, there is no God like you in heaven or on earth.”
Nehemiah 9:6 “You alone are Y-H-W-H.”
Isaiah 45:21-23 “You are my witnesses," declares Y-H-W-H, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me."
Isaiah 44:6 “This is what Y-H-W-H says- Israel's King and Redeemer, Y-H-W-H Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.”
Isaiah 45:5-6 “I am Y-H-W-H , and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me, so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting men may know there is none besides me."
Isaiah 45:21-23 “Declare what is to be, present it- let them take counsel together. Who foretold this long ago, who declared it from the distant past? Was it not I, Y-H-W-H? And there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me. Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.”
Joel 2:27 “Then you will know that I am in Israel, that I am Y-H-W-H your God, and that there is no other;”
Exodus 20:1-3 “And God spoke all these words: "I am Y-H-W-H your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME.”
Ben Masada
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Anywhere where the gospels say that Jesus "is" God is idolatry of the kind within the 80% of anti-Jewish interpolations to promote the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology. Therefore, there is nothing of the Truth in them. Hashem is of an absolute Oneness.
No...I read it many times before I was a Christian with a literal approach, much of the time doubting what I was reading. But when YHVH changed my heart, I believe it now.
Too tough a project for your god, huh? But not for YHVH who created the heavens and earth.
2Sa 12:23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.
I'm not claiming that King David could raise the dead under his own personal power.
GOD did work that power through Elijah and others, however.
Job 7:9 As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more.
Spoken from man's hopeless and limited perspective, not from YHVH's, who can do exceedingly more than man in his hopelessness can imagine.
Isa 26:13 O LORD our God, other lords beside thee have had dominion over us: but by thee only will we make mention of thy name.
Isa 26:14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.
Is 26:13 speaks of the tyranny of the nations being lords over the nation of Israel and speaks of YHVH's deliverance from them. Progressive revelation reveals that all the wicked dead will be raised for a final judgement.
Isaiah goes on to speak of Israel's resurrection and deliverance in the next verses.
Why would you not want to enter into the chambers of salvation along with others of believing Israel and await the redemption not only of our physical bodies but of the whole creation?
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You have nothing in common with Paul.
Apple7
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So, you have thus admitted to these things…
A) The Gospels are absolute truth.
B) Jesus is described as being God in the Gospels.
C) Even though Jesus is described as being God in the Gospels, you reject this.
D) You reject Jesus’ divinity out of your own personal worldview.
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Three what?