ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
then do your job and stop anna from trolling the thread with off topic posts
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then do your job and stop anna from trolling the thread with off topic posts
ClimateSanity
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Ok Doser said:
Its what we get when we silence ourselves for 50+ years for fear of being an outcast or loser or sociopath.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
it comes back to a theme i'm developing in the cowards and heroes thread - about complacency and our duty as citizens and Christians to stand up for what's right, to confront evil
in that context, we are all responsible for our cesspool of a society in which we live, in that we have allowed it to develop without confronting it more forcefully, more effectively
we are supposed to be a light of the world, but too many of us allow our fear to prevent us from standing against evil
oh snap! :thumb:
i swear i banged out my post before i saw yours
glassjester
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You're sort of just defining society, here. Nothing novel. Society is made of people.
There's no case for individual culpability, when it comes to being a victim of a crime.
Maybe you're not arguing for culpability, per se? I'm not sure.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
yes, but in my lifetime, i've seen changes to the moral structure of American society that disgust me - divorce, adultery, homosexuality, pornography, abortion, drugs, crime - it goes on and on - rape is just the latest unintended consequence of allowing selfishness to rule in the name of individual freedom
i'm arguing for responsibility
let me put it on a personal level - i worked for a couple of years in an inner city school - i never felt safe in that environment
but it existed as it was because we allowed it to exist that way - we allowed the administrators to take away corporal punishment, to the extent that you couldn't even break up a fight or expel a student - this was in a failing school that, when i was a kid, was a flagship tech school - suburban kids used to compete to get into it - fast forward through thirty years of failed liberal policies and it was just another hellhole in a district full of them
and why?
because we allowed it
glorydaz
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Well, I'm not too pleased about that myself. As you should know by now. :nono:
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
somebody should tell her that it wasn't me that deleted Observations Great and Small :idunno:
glorydaz
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Even then....it's not always true. There are cases where the woman is the abuser....either stronger, or meaner, or the man is too much of a gentleman to ever hit a woman back.
glorydaz
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MY "own observations" have nothing to do with what you deleted or didn't delete. What's done is done.
glassjester
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In such a wide sense as to be meaningless.
Someone steals your credit card number online. It's your fault for having a credit card!
Someone breaks into my house while I'm at work. It's my fault because it couldn't happen unless I had a house!
Nancy Kerigan was asking for her leg to get bludgeoned. She had some nerve being good at ice skating. Her fault!
Every victim of every crime? Get real.
Responsibility must rest on the individual or it becomes meaningless. Good post!
glorydaz
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Just when I start thinking you might be worth listening to, you say something like this. Would you like it if I simply laughed at everyone on this forum with an ego problem, and ignored any topic they might put forth? :chew:
Anna is not trolling.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
yep - and there are cases where the sexual abuse is directed by the female against the male
That is true. There always exceptions.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
are you aware that credit card theft happens?
if so, then you know that you're taking a risk by having one
do you leave your house in such a condition as to invite being broken into?
more to the point, do you support the election of judges who are lenient to burglars?
did she choose to perform in an environment where competition was intense?
every victim of every crime who has had the opportunity to make a better society and stood by quietly while our "culture" has slid downhill
glassjester
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Like I said - you're defining responsibility in such a broad sense, that it's lost any real meaning.
I am, based on your examples, "responsible" for every event that's taken place in the entire universe since the time I was conceived.
alwight
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Clearly it's having nice things inside your house which is one reason that might tempt a poor helpless burglar, but if you also insist on cutting the lawn and having a nice showy garden, perhaps some hanging baskets, why that's just asking for it.
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ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
no, i've made it clear that your responsibility lies in things you could have effected and haven't
glassjester
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Clearly it's having nice things inside your house which is one reason that might tempt a poor helpless burglar, but if you also insist on cutting the lawn and having a nice showy garden, perhaps some hanging baskets, why that's just asking for it.
Yep
Ok Doser really seems to be claiming that victims of crime are part of the material cause of the crime - which no one would argue against. They are indeed being acted upon by a criminal - therefore part of the material cause. Just as a block of marble was one of the material causes of Michelangelo's David.
To call this "responsibility" is just plain incorrect.