No Works-No Salvation

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To many people are going to be disqualified and fall short of salvation because of your words.

GRACE (FALL FROM))( DISQUALIFIED) (FALL SHORT)
Heb 6:10
10 For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
Luke 1:50
50 And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
Rom 8:27
27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
2 Cor 10:4-5
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
1 Cor 11:31
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.
John 5:22-23
22 "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,
23 "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
II Jn 1:9-11
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Acts 4:12
12 "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
Eph 4:4-6
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Eph 4:11-14
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,
13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;
14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting,
Col 2:8
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
Heb 10:28-29
28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Gal 5:1-4
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
Heb 2:1
1 Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away.
2 Cor 13:5
5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?-- unless indeed you are disqualified.
Rom 3:23
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Heb 12:15
15 looking diligently lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;
Heb 6:10
10 For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
Rev 3:15-16
15 "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot.
16 "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
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xxThere are so many ways that one can be disqualified, and disciples dont know it. A disciple is a student or beginner in Christianity. Now because someone who has fallen from grace or fallen short or been disqualifed doesnt know it them selves. It is easy for them to lead a disciple down the wrong path. When God has turned a person over to a reprobate mind, the person doesnt have the spiritual knowledge to discern it, and they become the blind leading the blind. Also a hypocrite doesnt know he is a hypocrite. The only evidence of any of this is having less verses now than you had a year ago. Because a christians growth, is in their growing in the Spirit, or in the idea that their still teaching the same thing today that they taught a year ago, if their on the same message. Where is their growth? This is the way to check yourself.


Rev 2:5
5 "Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place-- unless you repent.
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Luke 13:2-5
2 And Jesus answered and said to them, "Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things?
3 "I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.
4 "Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem?
5 "I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish."
(NKJ)


Heb 10:38-39
38 Now the just shall live by faith; but if anyone draws back, my soul has no pleasure in him."
39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.
(NKJ)

Jude 1:1-7

1 Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, To those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ:
2 Mercy, peace, and love be multiplied to you.
3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
(NKJ)


Rom 11:19-22
19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in."
20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
(NKJ)


Heb 2:1-3

1 Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away.
2 For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward,
3 how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him,
(NKJ)

Those are all wonderful truths, but none refute what I said.

Salvation is a gift

It is not wages for works done by the recipient

Ephesians 2:8-9
 

clefty

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lol Your an idiot. Your going to keep throwing your theories out there and deceiving people. Instead of becoming a real Christian where God will open your understanding.

That is not answering the question sneaky...

So that great city holy Jerusalem...will you get there by doing whatever you want whenever you want?...offering false worship for instance...you know, your any day or everyday...or are its citizens those that keep the commandments of Yah and the faith OF Yahushua?

Are your works His? What He asked or are you offering a variation...fruit instead of lamb...or other strange fire...traditions of man or His Will...as He taught and demonstrated and then signed and sealed the new covenant...is what Paul copied Him His way...not like you and your 9/10ths works
 

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Those are all wonderful truths, but none refute what I said.

Salvation is a gift

It is not wages for works done by the recipient

Ephesians 2:8-9

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You didn't read it. It says you must work out your salvation. And if you don't you can fall from grace, be disqualified, or even fall short.

[Phl 2:12
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
 

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That is not answering the question sneaky...

So that great city holy Jerusalem...will you get there by doing whatever you want whenever you want?...offering false worship for instance...you know, your any day or everyday...or are its citizens those that keep the commandments of Yah and the faith OF Yahushua?

Are your works His? What He asked or are you offering a variation...fruit instead of lamb...or other strange fire...traditions of man or His Will...as He taught and demonstrated and then signed and sealed the new covenant...is what Paul copied Him His way...not like you and your 9/10ths works

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lol Question?? All you do is bear false witness and make unfounded accusation with no evidence.
 

clefty

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lol Question?? All you do is bear false witness and make unfounded accusation with no evidence.

you are the one all over TOL claiming the Law was changed just like those others who claimed Stephen and Paul taught the Law was changed...it’s clear those accusations were false...and yet here you are...
 

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Your just a cheap antichrist trying to spread confusion.

[2Jo 1:7-11
7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ [as] coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but [that] we may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
 

clefty

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Your just a cheap antichrist trying to spread confusion.

[2Jo 1:7-11
7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ [as] coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but [that] we may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

Hmmmm both the Father and the Son?...and yet here you are saying what the Father wants is overridden by the new Law...

As if what the Father wanted is done away with...
 

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Hmmmm both the Father and the Son?...and yet here you are saying what the Father wants is overridden by the new Law...

As if what the Father wanted is done away with...

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lolol What it says is that if you don't abide in the new testament you don't have the right God or the right Jesus.


[2Jo 1:7-11
7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ [as] coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but [that] we may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
 

clefty

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lolol What it says is that if you don't abide in the new testament you don't have the right God or the right Jesus.


[2Jo 1:7-11
7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ [as] coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but [that] we may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

Well abide in the NT by all means...but DO NOT claim you have the right to keep only 9/10ths of the Law...

Making holy that which is NOT and rejecting that which is made Holy...and by Him and His Father...

but you aren’t in His doctrine with that type of attitude or fruit...
 

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Well abide in the NT by all means...but DO NOT claim you have the right to keep only 9/10ths of the Law...

Making holy that which is NOT and rejecting that which is made Holy...and by Him and His Father...

but you aren’t in His doctrine with that type of attitude or fruit...

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lolol Who are you to judge me. Your not even a Christian. Your just arrogant. and an idiot. What does the new testament say. Jesus changed the law. All who ever came before Him are thieves and robbers. And if I don't go by this in the new testament I don't have the right God or the right Jesus.


[Heb 7:12
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

[Jhn 10:1, 8
1 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. ...
8 "All who [ever] came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.


[2Jo 1:7-11
7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ [as] coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but [that] we may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
 

clefty

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lolol Who are you to judge me. Your not even a Christian. Your just arrogant. and an idiot. What does the new testament say. Jesus changed the law. All who ever came before Him are thieves and robbers. And if I don't go by this in the new testament I don't have the right God or the right Jesus.


[Heb 7:12
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

[Jhn 10:1, 8
1 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. ...
8 "All who [ever] came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.


[2Jo 1:7-11
7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ [as] coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but [that] we may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

Think not sneaky...

He said: ”think not that I have come to destroy the Law but to fulfill it”...

When one fulfills the requirements of a Law it is not destroyed it remains and applies to others...you don’t destroy a recipe when you follow it...you fulfill it...

He asked you pray the Sabbath be kept in future times of trouble...you claim you can make holy any other day...

That’s destroying the Law...Paul said establish it...and copy him as he copied Him
 

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Think not sneaky...

He said: ”think not that I have come to destroy the Law but to fulfill it”...

When one fulfills the requirements of a Law it is not destroyed it remains and applies to others...you don’t destroy a recipe when you follow it...you fulfill it...

He asked you pray the Sabbath be kept in future times of trouble...you claim you can make holy any other day...

That’s destroying the Law...Paul said establish it...and copy him as he copied Him

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Your an idiot. Why don't you tell everyone what you are. A muslim.
 

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Because that would be lying...I’ll leave that to you and yours who keep going on and on about the Law being changed...

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True believers must be straightforward with the truth, no guile, no lieing, no manipulating. You are all of them. Your just here to twist the truth around, to cause confusion. I have answered all of your questions. And you haven't answered one of mine. That in its self proves your a deceiver and an antichrist,
 

clefty

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True believers must be straightforward with the truth, no guile, no lieing, no manipulating. You are all of them. Your just here to twist the truth around, to cause confusion. I have answered all of your questions. And you haven't answered one of mine. That in its self proves your a deceiver and an antichrist,

You claim works...sadly only 9/10ths...
 

clefty

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lol And your a liar 9 out of 10.

“Here are they that keep the commandments...and the faith OF...”

Looks to me like your faith walk is not of His...but one you made for yourself...

You’re a funny guy...clever like that...
 

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“Here are they that keep the commandments...and the faith OF...”

Looks to me like your faith walk is not of His...but one you made for yourself...

You’re a funny guy...clever like that...

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lolol The way you nag you could be a woman. Look until you answer my one question your evil to me.
 

clefty

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lolol The way you nag you could be a woman. Look until you answer my one question your evil to me.

And what if I was a woman...yours probably had to all the time...

You thinking I am evil is fine...you claiming and teaching 9/10ths works is ok is not...and then claiming you are in da meat or Spirit led...

As if the Spirit would lead you outside the path He walked...have you do otherwise than what He taught and modelled for us to do...

Thread after thread “the Law is changed” “do works...9/10ths”

Yup your woman HAD to nag...
 

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And what if I was a woman...yours probably had to all the time...

You thinking I am evil is fine...you claiming and teaching 9/10ths works is ok is not...and then claiming you are in da meat or Spirit led...

As if the Spirit would lead you outside the path He walked...have you do otherwise than what He taught and modelled for us to do...

Thread after thread “the Law is changed” “do works...9/10ths”

Yup your woman HAD to nag...

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lolol You cant be that stupid, now what does this say?

[Heb 7:12
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
 
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