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Tnkrbl123!
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Ok so what were the rules for the theif? And what are the rules for us? How are they different and why are they different?
I am asking for you to explain because I obviously don't know and that is why I am asking you. So if you can explain
And answer those questions I'd appreciate it
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They are different because at that time the new testament wasn't in affect. But after Jesus death the new testament was in affect. The difference is in the Holy Ghost. The thief didn't have the Holy Ghost. But we are to find the Holy Ghost and learn from Him. The thief didn't have a chance to learn from the Holy Ghost. But we must learn from the Holy Ghost.
[Jhn 16:7
7 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
[Heb 9:16-18
16 For where there [is] a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament [is] in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
18 Therefore not even the first [covenant] was dedicated without blood.
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xxThe Sabbath is one of the ten commandments that doesnt show up in the new testament as a command.
And then you like Eve decided to ADD to the Word something about doing what thou whilst...whatever whenever...as long as he is persuaded in his own mind...
Is why you keep posting over and over on the topic of the law being changed because you wish to persuade yourself with this error
You dont sign a contract until the terms and conditions are outlined written and agreed to...that all happened when He was alive...He demonstrated with His life and example and teaching what the “New” COvenant is.
His death signed and sealed the deal...is why after He died His disciples hurried to observe Sabbath according to the commandment...as did Paul...and Peter even kept from eating unclean meats...
There is but One way...not two-one for Jews one for believers...or three yet another for the thief...
The Kingdom has but one Law...
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lol Your an idiot. I post on the law because people like you keep throwing it at me. And your not a true believer. What does this say?
[Heb 7:12, 18
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. ...
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
I said
Have you ever wondered why I have all these verses to support what I say. And you don't have any. That is the difference between one like you still in the milk understanding. And me in the meat understanding talking over your head all the time. When you read my stuff you get a strong feeling inside yourself and a voice saying no. That is your devil. Think about it, you cant even call yourself a Christian. You can only say your an "other". You have so many unclean spirits in you that you cant even see the truth. You don't have the Word of God abiding in you. Their using you to fight against the Word of God. With no more than your own opinion. Which is coming from your devil. Your devil has blinded you, with carnal logic.
[2Co 4:4
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
It says the priesthood was changed...that means there is a law which establishes who is the priest...and since that authority was changed that Law the one priest was servicing was moved to Another Priest...
But you wish to read into it that all the laws (PLURAL not just one)but all were changed and not merely TRANSFERRED to be administered by a New Priest...
If your uncircumcised heart wishes to insist in its rebellion...so be it...
but it states there was annulment of ONE commandment SINGULAR...and its weaknes was because the priest was mortal...not Immortal like the Priest is now...and that Eternal Priest now officiates over that Eternal Law HE authored...
“Here are they that keep...and the faith OF...”
Change of ONE law...of who is priest...not plural...NOT the 10 etc..
As if man could make Holy that which is not made Holy by Him...
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Nope...even Satan knows scripture...
The way you use it reveals fruit from a branch different than the trunk...
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lol Still trying to spread your deceptions I see. I understand that when I am talking to the blind they need more evidence and I have lots of it. Play close attention to the word "All".
[Jhn 10:1, 8
1 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. ...
8 "All who [ever] came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
[Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
[Heb 7:12, 18
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. ...
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
the irony that you dont enter through Him and as He taught and demonstrated we should live in the NT...but also climb up some other way...His sheep of His fold will not hear you neither...you and your some other way, another gospel, another christ who changed the customs and destroyed the Law
And now you think you can make times and laws...and make any day holy or everyday...
yup...that contract expired when the former signers killed the Author of the Contract its terms and conditions...like a wife killing her husband...death did them part...but now a new wife is sought by the resurrected Husband and Author of a New Contract which He taught and modeled before signing it with His blood and sealing it with His death...a New Covenant...same conditions same terms...
Already answered...annulling the former commandment...did you notice that? A singular commandment...
Which one sneaky?
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ROFLOL Your an idiot. Where do you get this wife and husband thing from. You just make this stuff up as you go. Because its obvious you don't know the Holy Spirit. Of course the Holy Spirit isn't given to"others
Church is bride of Christ?...even the church in the wilderness as Stephen called it...He put her away for adultery...for saying things like “Naw...we dont need to keep ALL the commandments...just whatever whenever”
Hmmm sound familiar? You sneaky...that is you...your adultery includes rejecting the Day He made Holy...and substituting it with another...or whenever...or not at all...
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lol Your an idiot. Until you become a real Christian you will always be wrong. And your devil will keep you guessing. The Bride is the new Jerusalem, the church is the guests at the wedding.
[Rev 21:9-12
9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came to me and talked with me, saying, "Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb's wife."
10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 having the glory of God. Her light [was] like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, clear as crystal.
12 Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are [the names] of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Oh ok...ha...and is that where you will be able to whatever whenever or does it remain: Here are they that keep the commandments of Yah and the faith OF Yahshua...except squeaky he only keeps 9/10 of the Law
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lol Your an idiot. Your going to keep throwing your theories out there and deceiving people. Instead of becoming a real Christian where God will open your understanding.
oatmeal
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Everyone who receives the GIFT of eternal life, the GIFT of salvation did not work to earn it.
God who gave His only begotten son,Jesus Christ, paid the price.
We are recipients of the gift.
Until you open up that gift and use it, works, it remains dormant and virtually useless.
It says work OUT your salvation. It is already yours and it is within you.
Until you work at using the gift you will not see benefits in this life
I said
To many people are going to be disqualified and fall short of salvation because of your words.
GRACE (FALL FROM))( DISQUALIFIED) (FALL SHORT)
Heb 6:10
10 For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
Luke 1:50
50 And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
Rom 8:27
27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
2 Cor 10:4-5
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
1 Cor 11:31
31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.
John 5:22-23
22 "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,
23 "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
II Jn 1:9-11
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Acts 4:12
12 "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
Eph 4:4-6
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Eph 4:11-14
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,
13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;
14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting,
Col 2:8
8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
Heb 10:28-29
28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Gal 5:1-4
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
Heb 2:1
1 Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away.
2 Cor 13:5
5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?-- unless indeed you are disqualified.
Rom 3:23
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Heb 12:15
15 looking diligently lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled;
Heb 6:10
10 For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
Rev 3:15-16
15 "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot.
16 "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
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xxThere are so many ways that one can be disqualified, and disciples dont know it. A disciple is a student or beginner in Christianity. Now because someone who has fallen from grace or fallen short or been disqualifed doesnt know it them selves. It is easy for them to lead a disciple down the wrong path. When God has turned a person over to a reprobate mind, the person doesnt have the spiritual knowledge to discern it, and they become the blind leading the blind. Also a hypocrite doesnt know he is a hypocrite. The only evidence of any of this is having less verses now than you had a year ago. Because a christians growth, is in their growing in the Spirit, or in the idea that their still teaching the same thing today that they taught a year ago, if their on the same message. Where is their growth? This is the way to check yourself.
Rev 2:5
5 "Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place-- unless you repent.
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Luke 13:2-5
2 And Jesus answered and said to them, "Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things?
3 "I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.
4 "Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem?
5 "I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish."
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Heb 10:38-39
38 Now the just shall live by faith; but if anyone draws back, my soul has no pleasure in him."
39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.
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Jude 1:1-7
1 Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, To those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ:
2 Mercy, peace, and love be multiplied to you.
3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
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Rom 11:19-22
19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in."
20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.
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Heb 2:1-3
1 Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away.
2 For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward,
3 how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him,
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