IMJerusha
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When Calvin wasn't busy having people killed, he'd find time to
express his opinions!
I'm not defending Calvin. I'm merely stating fact. Sheesh!
When Calvin wasn't busy having people killed, he'd find time to
express his opinions!
Recommend you read "Institutes of the Christian Religion" by John Calvin. He's not OSAS. His thoughts along those lines have been....twisted.
Do you respect Calvin as noble Christian?
blessings.
Recommend you read "Institutes of the Christian Religion" by John Calvin. He's not OSAS. His thoughts along those lines have been....twisted.
Thx
But I'm not interested in hyper Calvinism other than light discussions. Limited atonement is an error as well as the predestination of the wicked to damnation.
I believe in
Total depravity
Unlimited atonement
Irresistible grace
And OSAS
Curious. Do you believe in the predestination of the believer to salvation? If so, what options does that leave for the non-believers?
I understand, but I still would like to know. Do you respect Calvin as noble Christian?
Well, Meshak, that would be like asking if I consider you a noble Christian. I can't make that judgment. I can say that I consider you both Christians. That's it.
I don't believe in "noble" Christians, only Christians...struggling, flawed, human and so in need of grace. I find the sort who are most likely to turn their personal failures into a horror show for others are the same sort who believe they can rightly act as the judge of the soul of their neighbor and with no more authority than their neighbor proclaim them cast out.We know what Calvin did to non-trin. It is no secret. Jesus says we know them by their fruit.
Jesus' followers are persecutes, not persecutors.
The truth is not in wicked people, you should know that, sister.
blessings.
We know what Calvin did to non-trin. It is no secret. Jesus says we know them by their fruit.
Jesus' followers are persecutes, not persecutors.
The truth is not in wicked people, you should know that, sister.
blessings.
I don't believe in "noble" Christians, only Christians...struggling, flawed, human and so in need of grace. I find the sort who are most likely to turn their personal failures into a horror show for others are the same sort who believe they can rightly act as the judge of the soul of their neighbor and with no more authority than their neighbor proclaim them cast out.
I believe Christians like me, who have been shown amazing and saving grace from God, have every right to personally testify to His greatness, while defending ourselves against misrepresentations and persecution from others, who cannot relate.
Nang
So why do you have a problem with some who have needed to defend themselves against the misrepresentation and/or persecution from Truster? I mean, if you can see a need for defense for yourself, why can't you see the same need in others? Let me make clear that I don't hold Truster outside the Body.
Then the truth is in no one for there are none without sin.
You should realize that nothing in that spoke against anything I actually said though. :idunno:I believe Christians like me, who have been shown amazing and saving grace from God, have every right to personally testify to His greatness, while defending ourselves against misrepresentations and persecution from others, who cannot relate.
You should realize that nothing in that spoke against anything I actually said though. :idunno:
We might differ over the how, of late, but no, I don't have any problem with people defending themselves. It's the sort who go around telling other Christians they are or aren't in the Body as though they'd been appointed the task that I think do more harm than they ever will good, both as it impacts the Body and in the secondary witness that provides those outside of the faith looking on.I am so glad this is your response!
I don't believe in "noble" Christians, only Christians...struggling, flawed, human and so in need of grace. I find the sort who are most likely to turn their personal failures into a horror show for others are the same sort who believe they can rightly act as the judge of the soul of their neighbor and with no more authority than their neighbor proclaim them cast out.
Christians require grace because we're fallible. Put a fallible zealot into a position of physical power and it's a recipe for disaster. Paul was persecuting Christians out of a love of God. It's a thing to keep in mind.Calvin is held high by many main streamers, especially by Calvinists.
And he persecuted non-trins which is clearly did not show Christian behavior.
Okay. I knew a Methodist minister who passed recently and he radiated the peace of a long, meaningful and passionate walk with God.There are some faithful ones, not just passive followers like most of us, I call them noble ones.
I'm not here to attack or defend Calvinism. I'd rather speak to and of the unmerited grace given us by God and the gratitude and spirit that should flow from that.Calvin was extremely vicious one. It is just remarkable that so many follow him. Calvinism is an excellent example of corrupt faith.