Mr. Religion and His Calvinistic Nonsense

[Nihilo]

Translated: Well, you are wrong....


Quite weighty.

I brilliantly picked you apart, connecting the dots, with scripture.


You, in contrast, think, "Well, sister/father/monsignor/Judas told me so, and I will be just fine."


Contrasts.

The Eucharist is the celebration of 1st Corinthians 15:3-4 (KJV), Catholics celebrate 1st Corinthians 15:3-4 (KJV) every single Mass, the corporate prayer to the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord's Supper. This is what the Apostles told the bishops to do, as part of their oversight of the Church, among other things, including teaching with authority in the matters of faith, doctrine and morals.

Punt.

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

Inadvertent post.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Thed Preterist punk has been shown, verse, after verse, of the Lord Jesus Christ teaching the law, and observing it...

He lives in a fantasy world, not only in regard to the teaching of the Bible but also in regard to his team!

 

[john w]

The Eucharist is the celebration of 1st Corinthians 15:3-4 (KJV), Catholics celebrate 1st Corinthians 15:3-4 (KJV) every single Mass, the corporate prayer to the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord's Supper. This is what the Apostles told the bishops to do, as part of their oversight of the Church, among other things, including teaching with authority in the matters of faith, doctrine and morals.

Punt.

No, "the Eucharist" is a wicked "re-sacrifice" of your fake wafer God.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

This is what the Apostles told the bishops to do, as part of their oversight of the Church, among other things, including teaching with authority in the matters of faith, doctrine and morals.

Your church teaches that there is no salvation except through May but Peter said that there is no other name but Jesus Christ by which men can be saved.

I reject Rome's teaching about that because I believe what Peter said.

 

[Robert Pate]

Anti-Calvinists make fictions of scripture which in no way take into account the inner condition of mankind.

What exactly does 'faith' and 'righteousness' mean to an anti-Calvinist?

Because as far as I can tell, they simply treat faith like a charm you keep in your pocket, and righteousness a frivolous thing that just magically pulsates from the person carrying it.

It's like a bastardization of Imputed Righteousness.

The anti-Calvinist who is a blood bought, born again child of God. Does not take his salvation frivolously.

Faith is something that God gave to him at birth. We all posses the ability to believe and have faith in God and his Son Jesus Christ. No one would be able to function in life without faith. As far as righteousness goes, his righteousness is in heaven at the right hand of God.

 

[beloved57]

The anti-Calvinist who is a blood bought, born again child of God. Does not take his salvation frivolously.

Faith is something that God gave to him at birth. We all posses the ability to believe and have faith in God and his Son Jesus Christ. No one would be able to function in life without faith. As far as righteousness goes, his righteousness is in heaven at the right hand of God.

Lying. The natural man in the flesh can't please God Rom 8:8, and Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22

 

[nikolai_42]

So are you saying that Paul was in error where he made it plain that in order to have eternal life a person has to believe? Are you saying that Paul was in error when he wrote this?:

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth" (Ro.1:16).​

Of course Mr. Religion never even attempted to answer these verses which contradict his ideas. You have said nothing which would make anyone think that it is not "believing" which results in salvation.

This speaks of a "cause" and "effect" relationship which proves that what is said here is in error:



Do you not see a cause and effect relationship at both Acts 16:30-31 and Romans 1:16? In both of those passages we can understand that the cause is "believing" and the effect is "salvation."

It amazes me that someone who claims to be an expert of the teaching found in the Scriptures can be so ignorant about how a person is saved.

In an ongoing sense...yes. Faith is what allows a man to live in Christ. But a "dead man walking" doesn't go out, find faith, decide to believe the gospel and then get saved.

You are asking about cause and effect, why didn't the Jews believe?

 

[Jerry Shugart]

In an ongoing sense...yes. Faith is what allows a man to live in Christ. But a "dead man walking" doesn't go out, find faith, decide to believe the gospel and then get saved.

You are asking about cause and effect, why didn't the Jews believe?

Because they resisted the Holy Spirit (Acts 7:51).

It is the gospel which comes in power and in the Holy Spirit (1 Thess.1:5) which brings those who are dead in sin back to life.

 

[God's Truth]

In an ongoing sense...yes. Faith is what allows a man to live in Christ. But a "dead man walking" doesn't go out, find faith, decide to believe the gospel and then get saved.

You are asking about cause and effect, why didn't the Jews believe?

No one is literally a dead man and cannot obey to be saved.

The Gentiles were dead in their sins because they did not get circumcised in the flesh and offer animals for their blood to sacrifice and atone for themselves.

Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,

 

[nikolai_42]

Because they resisted the Holy Spirit (Acts 7:51).

Maybe, but Jesus told them plainly why they didn't believe :

1. They weren't His sheep (John 10:26)
2. They didn't have the Word abiding in them (John 5:38)
3. They didn't have the love of God in them (John 5:42)

In other words, belief is not foundational. What IS foundational is belonging to Him, having His Word abiding internally and having the love of God. These are not things a man does nor apprehends himself.

It is the gospel which comes in power and in the Holy Spirit (1 Thess.1:5) which brings those who are dead in sin back to life.

I think (though I could be wrong) AMR would agree with the understanding that it isn't based on whether or not that man has pre-existent faith in himself.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Maybe, but Jesus told them plainly why they didn't believe.

So are you saying that the gospel by itself is powerless to bring to life those who are dead in sin?

Here is why some do not come to the light and it has nothing to do with the idea that a person must be regenerated in order to believe:

"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God" (Jn.3:19-21).​

In other words, belief is not foundational. What IS foundational is belonging to Him, having His Word abiding internally and having the love of God. These are not things a man does nor apprehends himself.

No one can have His word abiding internally in them until they believe. "Faith" is described as the "evidence of things not seen" (Heb.11:1) and no one has that evidence until he believes.

Are you saying that people can have the evidence of things not seen internally before they believe?

Thanks!

 

[Nihilo]

No, "the Eucharist" is a wicked "re-sacrifice" of your fake wafer God.

The gospel according to Paul, 1st Corinthians 15:3-4 (KJV), is why, the Church celebrates the Lord's Supper, "in remembrance" (1Co11:24KJV & 1Co11:25KJV) of the Lord Jesus, to "keep in memory" (1Co15:2KJV) what He has done (1Co15:3-4KJV).

 

[Nihilo]

Your church

There's only One Church, just as there has been from Pentecost, the One that the Lord built upon Peter, the One founded upon the Apostles, the One who celebrates the gospel of Paul, and who is overseen by the college of bishops, and by her supreme pastor the successor of Peter. That's the One Church, that's my Church and that's your Church, the Body of Christ.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

There's only One Church, just as there has been from Pentecost, the One that the Lord built upon Peter, the One founded upon the Apostles, the One who celebrates the gospel of Paul, and who is overseen by the college of bishops, and by her supreme pastor the successor of Peter. That's the One Church, that's my Church and that's your Church, the Body of Christ.

Do you actually think that the church at Rome is the Body of Christ?

If you are right then those who not members of that church are unsaved.

Is that what you think?

 

[Crucible]

Because they resisted the Holy Spirit (Acts 7:51).

It is a conviction to the Elect, and a particular judgement upon those who are not of the Elect.

Irresistible Grace:
The saving grace of God is effectually applied to those whom He has determined to save and, in God's timing, overcomes their resistance to obeying the call of the gospel.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

It is a conviction to the Elect, and a particular judgement upon those who are not of the Elect.

Irresistible Grace:
The saving grace of God is effectually applied to those whom He has determined to save and, in God's timing, overcomes their resistance to obeying the call of the gospel.

The Bible will be searched in vain for such a concept. All men have the ability to believe the gospel since it comes in power and in the Holy Spirit.

 

[Nihilo]

Galatians 4:6 (KJV): " And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts "
Galatians 5:13 (KJV): " For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. "

 

[Samie]

The Bible will be searched in vain for such a concept. All men have the ability to believe the gospel since it comes in power and in the Holy Spirit.

All men have the ability to believe the gospel because they are born in Christ.

If one is in Christ, he can bear fruit. If he can bear fruit, he can have faith because faith is fruit of the Spirit. If he has faith, he can believe because faith is needed to believe.

Unless one is in Christ, he can do NOTHING. Why? Because he is dead, being APART from Him Who is our life (Col 3:4).

 

[Nihilo]

Do you actually think that the church at Rome is the Body of Christ?

If you are right then those who not members of that church are unsaved.

Is that what you think?

Very simply, Yes, it is what I think. The Catholic Church is Jesus' Church.

Fortunately, it is possible, and popular, to be Catholic in heart, but not bodily. Such Christians are members of Jesus' Church, however imperfectly united they may be with Catholics who are fully incorporated into His Body. Membership in Jesus' Church, depends upon faith and faith alone. Both Jesus' Church's bishops, and many non-Catholic Christian teachers, agree on this.