ECT MADists don't follow Paul

Interplanner

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Doesn't not 2P2P equal 4P? Or is it simply 2P or not 2p?


The theocracy Danoh mentions is another name for a 'literal restoration of Judaism in Judea'. This is found in all pop prophecy books. He doesn't know what he is saying; he is simply incoherent on this.

That restoration is actually what (veiled) Judaism thought would happen (Jn 12:34) and still thinks will happen. Find literature from the 1800s on Jews in northern Europe thinking about return to Judea and it follows that pattern, which is nowhere in the NT; thus the term veiled. The NT meaning is veiled; it is only revealed 'in Christ.'
 

Danoh

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For the hundredth time, 2P2P is the Ryrie doctrine in his book D'ISM TODAY that God has two separate programs and peoples running in the Bible. They do not merge or overlap. Salvation means two different things. Etc ad naseum.

The reason the sequential chart method of Revelation exists is so that people who think there is 2P2P can 'reconcile the books' by figuring out who is where in the Mill. Which is what Danoh was doing. It is not what Christ was doing in Mt 23-24. The view of things coming is structured so completely different than 2P2P and D'ism that it is too much to express here. Get the thread 'the 10 propositions about NT eschatology' down first. Then we'll talk.

As for Danoh's last line, Mt 24 says too many things for his last to be meaningful. There are plenty of things in Mt 24 that could be misunderstood as 2P2P if you post-date it.

Where there you have it, TOLers - Interplanner got that from one of his endless books "about," which he THEN reads INTO what I'm talking about; which he THEN reacts to, under the self-delusion he is reacting to my posts.

It comes down to books "about" the notions of which he has bought into because they match his manner of reading INTO things, in contrast TO those "books about" that he has also read all kinds of things "about" in but that do not match his manner of reading INTO things.

The Preterist - ever a legend in his own books based "mind."

You, Interplanner; remain clueless to what the Mid-Acts Dispy is talking "about..."

This is why I have stopped taking your pal, Tel-a-lie seriously - you have both been taken captive by your books based Preterist delusions. There is no point in dealing with your kind seriously; all you conclude is well Darby this; Ryrie that - what's the use; moron.

I suggest you ignore my posts; all you are doing is repeatedly exposing your inability to get the sense of another's words unless you've had it spoonfed to you in one of your endless books "about."


:chuckle:
 

Lazy afternoon

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Prove what you mean about apostate churches. If you're referring to 'many will come in my name', you aren't aware of what the 1st century was like in Judea--how many messiahs there were. Mt24A is about 1st century Judea. B is broadened to the whole world.

Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.



No false Messiahs came in Jesus name before 70AD.


and the text says many would would come in Christs name, not false Messiahs.

LA
 

Interplanner

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Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.



No false Messiahs came in Jesus name before 70AD.


and the text says many would would come in Christs name, not false Messiahs.

LA


Sorry, LA, you simply do not know your 1st century history. Judas the Galilean, Simon bar-Giora, John of Gischala, the 'Teacher of Righteousness' of Qumran, to name a few. Mt24A is about 1st century Judea. Maybe you need to rework what they thought a messiah was. As far as Rome was concerned, it was pretty much a constant issue since some of the intertestament events, although the Dan 9 timeline narrowed down some of it.

If we mix think 24A is future or that 24B is about Israel, there will be nothing but confusion about what happened and what was being taught. 24A is 1st century Judea; 24B is after that (and was delayed) and is worldwide.
 

tetelestai

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No false Messiahs came in Jesus name before 70AD.

In addition to the false Messiah's Interplanner mentioned:

"(A.D. 35) within one year after our Lord’s ascension, rose Dositheus the Samaritan, who had the boldness to assert that he was the Messiah. . . while his disciple Simon Magus deluded multitudes into a belief that he, himself, was the “GREAT POWER”

(A.D. 38). . . three years afterward another Samaritan impostor appeared, and declared that he would shew the people the sacred utensils, said to have been deposited by Moses, in mount Gerizim. Induced by an idea that the Messiah, their great deliverer, was now come, an armed multitude assembled under him, but Pilate speedily defeated them, and slew their chief.

While Cuspius Fadus was procurator in Judea, another deceiver arose, whose name was Theudas. This man actually succeeded so far as to persuade a very great multitude to take their effects and follow him to Jordan, assuring them, that the river would divide at his command.

Under the government of Felix, deceivers rose up daily in Judea, and persuaded the people to follow them into the wilderness, assuring them that they should there behold conspicuous signs and wonders performed by the ALMIGHTY.

(A.D. 55) About this period arose Felix the celebrated Egyptian impostor, who collected thirty-thousand followers, and persuaded them to accompany him to the Mount of Olives, telling, them that from thence they should see the walls of Jerusalem fall down at his command, as, a prelude to the capture of the Roman garrison, and to their obtaining the sovereignty of the city.

(A.D.60) In the time of Porcius Festus, another distinguished impostor seduced the people, by promising them deliverance from the Roman yoke, if they would follow him into the wilderness."
 

whitestone

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The theocracy Danoh mentions is another name for a 'literal restoration of Judaism in Judea'. This is found in all pop prophecy books. He doesn't know what he is saying; he is simply incoherent on this.

That restoration is actually what (veiled) Judaism thought would happen (Jn 12:34) and still thinks will happen. Find literature from the 1800s on Jews in northern Europe thinking about return to Judea and it follows that pattern, which is nowhere in the NT; thus the term veiled. The NT meaning is veiled; it is only revealed 'in Christ.'

lol,"oop's",,,,
 

Lazy afternoon

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In addition to the false Messiah's Interplanner mentioned:

"(A.D. 35) within one year after our Lord’s ascension, rose Dositheus the Samaritan, who had the boldness to assert that he was the Messiah. . . while his disciple Simon Magus deluded multitudes into a belief that he, himself, was the “GREAT POWER”

(A.D. 38). . . three years afterward another Samaritan impostor appeared, and declared that he would shew the people the sacred utensils, said to have been deposited by Moses, in mount Gerizim. Induced by an idea that the Messiah, their great deliverer, was now come, an armed multitude assembled under him, but Pilate speedily defeated them, and slew their chief.

While Cuspius Fadus was procurator in Judea, another deceiver arose, whose name was Theudas. This man actually succeeded so far as to persuade a very great multitude to take their effects and follow him to Jordan, assuring them, that the river would divide at his command.

Under the government of Felix, deceivers rose up daily in Judea, and persuaded the people to follow them into the wilderness, assuring them that they should there behold conspicuous signs and wonders performed by the ALMIGHTY.

(A.D. 55) About this period arose Felix the celebrated Egyptian impostor, who collected thirty-thousand followers, and persuaded them to accompany him to the Mount of Olives, telling, them that from thence they should see the walls of Jerusalem fall down at his command, as, a prelude to the capture of the Roman garrison, and to their obtaining the sovereignty of the city.

(A.D.60) In the time of Porcius Festus, another distinguished impostor seduced the people, by promising them deliverance from the Roman yoke, if they would follow him into the wilderness."

None of those came in Jesus Name.

LA
 

whitestone

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This is why you guys hate me so much.

You guys can't handle that someone who was a Dispensationalist for 25 years came to realize that Dispensationalism is contrary to the Bible, and is no longer a Dispensationalist.

The other thing you can't stand is that I know Dispensationalism better than the majority of Dispensationalists on this site.

It's drives you crazy, so you are hellbent on attacking my character instead of actually discussing the issues because you know you can't, and in the process are made to look like a fool, like you are doing to yourself with Luke 19

lol,,,hellbent,,,I knew I recognized that...
 

Danoh

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None of those came in Jesus Name.

LA

Yeah, but what matters to those who OVER RELY on books "about" for their "wisdom" IS their books "about."

"Jesus did not mean what he said there - see; Dr. So and So says so right here..."

Such an individual is set in stone as to such an OVER RELIANCE - there is NO reasoning with such. NONE.
 

Cross Reference

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Yeah, but what matters to those who OVER RELY on books "about" for their "wisdom" IS their books "about."

"Jesus did not mean what he said there - see; Dr. So and So says so right here..."

Such an individual is set in stone as to such an OVER RELIANCE - there is NO reasoning with such. NONE.

I, for one, am glad you recognize that . . . about yourself.
 
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