ECT MADists don't follow Paul

[tetelestai]

most preterits say Rome ,Nero ect. that would not work out with ad70,,,

I tend to agree, but the prophecy could pertain to the events leading up to the Great Revolt in 66AD, or after as described in 2 Thess.

Speaking of the Great Revolt, the Apostle Paul said the Great Revolt had to happen before the resurrection.

(2 Thess 2:3) Don't let anyone deceive you about this in any way. [That day cannot come unless] a revolt takes place first, and the man of sin, the man of destruction, is revealed.

The Greek word Paul uses in 2 Thess 2:3 is the word "apostasia" (Strongs #646)

"Apostasia" is the exact word Josephus used to describe the Great Jewish Revolt of 66AD

 

[Interplanner]

Both Josephus and Caiaphas knew that there would be a rebellion that would ruin the country; Caiaphas perhaps differed by believing it could be stopped or intervened.

 

[patrick jane]

I tend to agree, but the prophecy could pertain to the events leading up to the Great Revolt in 66AD, or after as described in 2 Thess.

Speaking of the Great Revolt, the Apostle Paul said the Great Revolt had to happen before the resurrection.

(2 Thess 2:3) Don't let anyone deceive you about this in any way. [That day cannot come unless] a revolt takes place first, and the man of sin, the man of destruction, is revealed.

The Greek word Paul uses in 2 Thess 2:3 is the word "apostasia" (Strongs #646)

"Apostasia" is the exact word Josephus used to describe the Great Jewish Revolt of 66AD

you are so stuck in the past

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[musterion]

And when He was come near, He beheld the city, and wept over it . . . "And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee [in the city, not just the temple complex] one stone upon another...

The entire city was not razed to the ground. Jews still lived there. It did not come to pass that not one stone left upon the other and the city ceased to exist. That's what He said would happen to the city. That did not happen in 70.

 

[ClimateSanity]

The entire city was not razed to the ground with not one stone left upon the other. That's what He said would happen. That did not happen in 70.

So, believing the entire verse and not just a section of it is grasping at straws? Interesting.

 

[tetelestai]

The entire city was not razed to the ground with not one stone left upon the other. That's what He said would happen. That did not happen in 70.

You need to make up your mind.

First you said Jesus predicted the destruction of the temple, but had nothing to do with it.

Then when Luke 19 proved you wrong, you are now claiming all of Jerusalem was prophesied to be left with not one stone standing upon another, and the prophecy was not fuliflled in 70Ad

Make up your mind.

 

[whitestone]

I tend to agree, but the prophecy could pertain to the events leading up to the Great Revolt in 66AD, or after as described in 2 Thess.

Speaking of the Great Revolt, the Apostle Paul said the Great Revolt had to happen before the resurrection.

(2 Thess 2:3) Don't let anyone deceive you about this in any way. [That day cannot come unless] a revolt takes place first, and the man of sin, the man of destruction, is revealed.

The Greek word Paul uses in 2 Thess 2:3 is the word "apostasia" (Strongs #646)



"Apostasia" is the exact word Josephus used to describe the Great Jewish Revolt of 66AD

So the man of sin when was he revealed?,,who was he?

 

[tetelestai]

Both Josephus and Caiaphas knew that there would be a rebellion that would ruin the country; Caiaphas perhaps differed by believing it could be stopped or intervened.

And the Apostle Paul made it clear that the resurrection would not happen until the rebellion (revolt) happened first.

The Great Jewish Revolt began in 66AD

 

[tetelestai]

you are so stuck in the past

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Bernadette Peters was hot back in the day, what's your point?

 

[tetelestai]

So the man of sin when was he revealed?,,who was he?

We don't know.

The writings of Josephus are the only existing writings that describe the history of what happened there, and Josephus makes no mention of it.

 

[musterion]

Since ol' Joe means so much to Tettles.

The Entire City Of Jerusalem Was Demolished, Excepting Three Towers
1. NOW as soon as the army had no more people to slay or to plunder, because there remained none to be the objects of their fury, (for they would not have spared any, had there remained any other work to be done,) Caesar gave orders that they should now demolish the entire city and temple, but should leave as many of the towers standing as were of the greatest eminency; that is, Phasaelus, and Hippicus, and Mariamne; and so much of the wall as enclosed the city on the west side. This wall was spared, in order to afford a camp for such as were to lie in garrison, as were the towers also spared, in order to demonstrate to posterity what kind of city it was, and how well fortified, which the Roman valor had subdued; but for all the rest of the wall, it was so thoroughly laid even with the ground by those that dug it up to the foundation, that there was left nothing to make those that came thither believe it had ever been inhabited. This was the end which Jerusalem came to by the madness of those that were for innovations; a city otherwise of great magnificence, and of mighty fame among all mankind.

But Christ predicted:

And when He was come near, He beheld the city, and wept over it . . . "And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall NOT leave in thee [in the city, not just the temple complex] ONE STONE UPON ANOTHER...

Josephus wrote that Rome did not reduce the city to "not one stone upon another," as Christ predicted the entire city would be.

That means it didn't happen in 70.

Tet and preterism are hereby refuted as false.

 

[musterion]

You need to make up your mind.

First you said Jesus predicted the destruction of the temple, but had nothing to do with it.

Then when Luke 19 proved you wrong, you are now claiming all of Jerusalem was prophesied to be left with not one stone standing upon another, and the prophecy was not fuliflled in 70Ad

Make up your mind.

My mind is made up. He spoke the truth. What He said would come to pass will come to pass. It just hasn't happened YET. You have no alternative since it did not happen in 70 as Christ Himself predicted. The futurist view is the only one left that reflects history as it happened AND honors Scripture as it's written.

That means you're wrong -- completely, totally wrong. Give it up. You've lost.

 

[whitestone]

We don't know.

The writings of Josephus are the only existing writings that describe the history of what happened there, and Josephus makes no mention of it.

well there's the apostolic fathers writings but they all thought he had not yet come.

 

[tetelestai]

Tet and preterism are hereby refuted as false.

Afraid not mystery boy.

Christ Jesus didn't say not one stone would be left standing upon another in all of Jerusalem, He said not one stone would be left standing upon another at the temple.

(Luke 21:5-6) 5 Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, 6 “As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down.”

Not one stone was left standing upon another in 70AD.

Like I said, you are grasping at straws.

Each post you make shows your desperation.

 

[musterion]

Here's your new avatar, Tettles.

 

[musterion]

You're refuted, Tet.

Christ Jesus didn't say not one stone would be left standing upon another in all of Jerusalem,

I just quoted where He said exactly that.

Repent.

 

[whitestone]

one other thing tet this "great tribulation" do you see it as fulfilled in ad70?

 

[musterion]

41 And as he drew near, seeing the city [Jerusalem] He wept over it [Jerusalem]


42 saying, "If thou [Jerusalem] hadst known, even thou, even at least in this thy day, the things that are for thy peace: but now they are hid from thine eyes;


43 for days shall come upon thee [Jerusalem] that thine enemies shall make a palisaded mound about thee, and shall close thee around, and keep thee [Jerusalem] in on every side,


44 and shall lay thee [Jerusalem] even with the ground, and thy children in thee; and shall not leave IN THEE [Jerusalem] a stone upon a stone: because thou knewest not the season of thy visitation."

Your god Josephus says this did not happen.

Repent.

 

[tetelestai]

well there's the apostolic fathers writings but they all thought he had not yet come.

All of the Bible was completed before 70AD.

So there is nothing in the Bible that is going to tell us of the historical events of the Great Jewish Revolt.

All we have are the prophecies.

Here's one for you:

PROPHECY:

(Rev 16:21) And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

CONFIRMATION of Prophecy:

"Now the stones that were cast were of the weight of a talent, and were carried two furlongs and further. The blow they gave was no way to be sustained, not only by those that stood first in the way, but by those that were beyond them for a great space. As for the Jews, they at first watched the coming of the stone, for it was of a white color." - Jewish Wars 5.6.3

I know, I know.....it's just a really big coincidence that John prophesied hail that weighed one talent would come down on Jerusalem, and that the Romans hurled stones that weighed one talent and were painted white at Jerusalem.......

 

[whitestone]

All of the Bible was completed before 70AD.

So there is nothing in the Bible that is going to tell us of the historical events of the Great Jewish Revolt.

All we have are the prophecies.

Here's one for you:

PROPHECY:

(Rev 16:21) And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

CONFIRMATION of Prophecy:

"Now the stones that were cast were of the weight of a talent, and were carried two furlongs and further. The blow they gave was no way to be sustained, not only by those that stood first in the way, but by those that were beyond them for a great space. As for the Jews, they at first watched the coming of the stone, for it was of a white color." - Jewish Wars 5.6.3

I know, I know.....it's just a really big coincidence that John prophesied hail that weighed one talent would come down on Jerusalem, and that the Romans hurled stones that weighed one talent and were painted white at Jerusalem.......

lol that would be like saying that no one in north America new who the president is the Christians in ad71,72,ect. would have stated it.