just kick the ball
ECT Madists are closet Calvinists
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just kick the ball
(Rom 9:14-15) What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.
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The tiny prep. "IF" is used over 7000 times in the KJV Bible. 3000 + in the NT alone. Madist', Calvinist' and the like seem to have taken to themselves, by preferring them, translations of the Bible that have omitted the one's that present a problem for them. Here is an example of just one passage, BY PAUL, none of you have had the guts to reply to, having been repeatedly asked to do so:
"And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister" Colossians 1:21-23 (KJV)
In addition, for the MAD minds, kindly read what follows in yellow. Note that it was preached to every creature and He was [only] a minister of it.. Every creature under heaven??? How could that have been by Paul alone?? Answer: It couldn't have been by Paul alone.
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That should flush your toilet if you will be honest with yourselves. But I have no hope for that in me simply because of the times we live in Jesus spoke of in His warnings to His disciples.
"And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister" Colossians 1:21-23 (KJV)
In addition, for the MAD minds, kindly read what follows in yellow. Note that it was preached to every creature and He was [only] a minister of it.. Every creature under heaven??? How could that have been by Paul alone?? Answer: It couldn't have been by Paul alone.
[emphasis mine]
That should flush your toilet if you will be honest with yourselves. But I have no hope for that in me simply because of the times we live in Jesus spoke of in His warnings to His disciples.
andyc
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It's a discussion, not an interrogation.
You don't have have to respond to anything if you don't want to.
mostly because they can't
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Amen! What puzzles me is why they prefer intellect over indwelling.
. . .except they be Gnostics.
heir
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False premises lead to false conclusions and your OP is no exception. Faith is not the gift, grace is and it's through the faith of Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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Salvation is the "conditional" gift to those God favors who, by their faith, please Him.
heir
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A gift is not conditional. It is either received or rejected.
so why don't we all get it?
andyc
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So you're saved by God's grace, and through God's faith.
None of it was of yourself?
How can this not be irresistible grace?
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Where did you get that idea? It certainly isn't in the scriptures? You must be referring to redemption, something God did for man irrespective of his relationship to God, but even then, for it to made effective, man can only benefit by placing his faith in how it was accomplished..To me, that is not arguable.
heir
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What part of "and that not of yourselves" don't you understand?
You don't have to receive the gift. You can reject it.
heir
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You reject it. You believe not!
They were born elect.
They were cast out of the kingdom.
That means that some of the elect do not remain in the kingdom.
No matter how you look at it, some that were in the kingdom were cast out of the kingdom.
IN --- OUT
andyc
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How can you reject what you've never received?
If you are the one doing the believing, it's through your faith not God's.
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andyc
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Two different kingdoms.
Israel - which they inherited through natual birth.
Heaven - which is inherited through spiritual birth.
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Why don't you reply to post #123??? __ <chicken>.
Good post! Calvinism is another word for; "Spiritual Blindness!"
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