Also, did you notice how you avoided everything I said?
Respond appropriately, please.
Jesus is God !
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Also, did you notice how you avoided everything I said?
Respond appropriately, please.
He can't discuss anything in English, I don't see how he can even HOPE to discuss anything in Aramaic...
Lon
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A bit late, aren't you? I bowed out some time ago. Either people listen or they do not. You've been shown why there are problems, all intellectually, and academically challenging and viable. There can be no excuse, you are either reasonable and rational or you are indoctrinated. I'm not really interested in people dedicated to their church, but people dedicated to truth and God.
Good! So do we!
Yep.
Let's see:
John 10:30-36
30 I and the Father are one.”
"Is One?" What is your point?
31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
There you go, no?
34 Jesus answered them, "No, I never said, that. I said I was the "SON" of God!"
Except He NEVER said that. Would have been a really good answer, no??? Where is TrevorL's honesty???
34 Jesus answered them,“Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[a]? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside—
Propositional truth given, then He says what it means:
36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world?
In other words, He IS claiming to be God! :noway: Awesome, no? Welcome to truthful thinking! We call such people 1) honest and 2) Triune. Welcome aboard!
Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?
So not only for being 'God's Son,' but 'God' as well, by Jesus' own argument. You can TRY and show this all in a different light, but it won't work. It is, as you say, this clear.
Greetings again JudgeRightly, Right Divider and Lon,
As I said my purpose was to hit and run, and I will look in again at this thread if it is still running in 3 months. A brief response:
Kind regards
Trevor
As I said my purpose was to hit and run, and I will look in again at this thread if it is still running in 3 months. A brief response:
Really, but I doubt that we agree what these terms represent in actual fact.
Psalm 110:1 clearly distinguishes between Yahweh and David's Lord.
Jesus is claiming to be the Son of God.
Kind regards
Trevor
Right Divider
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That does not mean that they are not both God.
The Father is God.
The Son is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
And yet there is only one God.
That's what the Bible says, so I believe it.
Lon
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EXCEPT He didn't! I JUST showed you that He didn't. I also said those committed to their churches over truth, aren't open to God, just whoever their church says their god is. Do you want to follow god or God?
Probably your first step is going to have to be to stop attending indoctrination seminars and feel-good board meetings at your local cult (not derogatory) assembly.
beloved57
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1Jn 5:20 declares Jesus the Son is the True God,
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Son of God, who is the immediate antecedent to the relative pronoun "this"; he is the true God,
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Son of God, who is the immediate antecedent to the relative pronoun "this"; he is the true God,
Don't be a troll, Keypurr. Trolling will get you banned. Permanently.
The twisting comes from you sir. You don't know how to interpret John 1:1
Right Divider
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Agree!
It needs no interpretation. We just have to believe God's Word.
Right Divider
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No, He did Not. Your repeating it does not change that.
Jesus said that His Father is the only true God.
Jesus did NOT say that only the Father is the true God.
Get it right, old heretic.
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keypurr
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He said his Father is the ONLY true God. That means exactly what it says. Why do you not see that? You do not wish to see it.
keypurr
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Yep I do BR
Right Divider
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Sure does... what is DOES NOT SAY is that ONLY the Father is the true God, senior heretic.
I see perfectly clearly.
You are incorrect as per your usual.
Is there some sort of mental disconnect that prevents you from seeing the difference between these two posts?
Cognitive Dissonance, perhaps?
beloved57
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Did Isaiah see Jesus Christ as God, the Lord of Hosts in this vision ? Isa 6:1-3
In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.
The New Testament scripture gives us light, in that Isaih was actually seeing the Lord Jesus Christ as the Lord of Hosts, who is God Jn 12:39-41
39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him. Is not a reference to Isa 6:1-3 when he saw the Glory of the Lord of Hosts ?
John Gill comments:
In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.
The New Testament scripture gives us light, in that Isaih was actually seeing the Lord Jesus Christ as the Lord of Hosts, who is God Jn 12:39-41
39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him. Is not a reference to Isa 6:1-3 when he saw the Glory of the Lord of Hosts ?
John Gill comments:
From Gotquestions.org
The New Testament clearly teaches that Jesus claimed to be God. The Bible also affirms the deity of Christ. This is evident in a variety of ways. First, Jesus claimed to be equal with God. He could forgive sin, something only God could do (Mark 2:5). Jesus claimed power to raise the dead (John 5:25-29). He claimed to be honored as God (John 5:18, 23) as well as to be equal with the Father (John 10:30).
Second, Jesus claimed to be the great "I Am." John 8:58 states, "Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.'" This "I Am" reference is made in connection with Exodus 3:14 where God revealed His name to Moses as "I Am." Jesus' statement, then, is a biblical claim for the deity of Christ.
Third, Jesus claimed to be Yahweh God, the same God of Israel from the Old Testament. This included His claim to have eternal glory with the Father (John 17:5), His claim to be the first and the last (Revelation 1:17), His claim to be judge of all humanity (John 5:27), His claim to be the Good Shepherd (John 10:11), His claim to be the Bridegroom (Matthew 25:1; Isaiah 62:5), and His claim to be the light of the world (John 8:12; Psalm 27:1).
Fourth, Jesus also claimed to be the Messiah God. This is evident in many of the titles attributed to Him in the Old Testament that are referred to in the New Testament. These include reference to Jesus as God (Psalm 45:6 and Hebrews 1:8), Lord (Psalm 110:1 and Matthew 22:43-44), Ancient of Days (Daniel 7:9 and Mark 14:61-64), and as Messiah (John 4:26). These references affirm the biblical deity of Christ.
Fifth, Jesus accepted worship as God. Though the Old Testament commanded not to worship anyone but God alone, Jesus accepted worship on many occasions. Some of these included the healed leper who worshipped Him (Matthew 8:2), the ruler who knelt before Jesus after his son had been healed (Matthew 9:18), the Canaanite woman (Matthew 15:25), the mother of James and John (Matthew 20:20), and a demon-possessed man (Mark 5:6). The disciples even prayed to Jesus (Acts 7:59) and in His name (John 14:6; 15:7).
Sixth, Jesus' followers recognized Jesus as God. They called Him God on multiple occasions (John 20:28; Colossians 2:9), referred to Jesus by other names used only of deity, such as Savior of the world (John 4:42), and prayed to or worshiped Jesus as part of the Godhead (Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). John taught He was with God in the beginning as "the word" and that "the word was God" (John 1:1).
While the New Testament never makes the direct statement "Jesus is God," it is clear that He is referred to as deity in a variety of ways. Colossians 2:9 confirms, "For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily." (See also Philippians 2:6). Those who claim Jesus never referred to Himself as God deny many clear statements in Scripture (such as John 14:6). The deity of Jesus is biblical. Jesus is God, the second person of the Triune Godhead, consisting of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
The New Testament clearly teaches that Jesus claimed to be God. The Bible also affirms the deity of Christ. This is evident in a variety of ways. First, Jesus claimed to be equal with God. He could forgive sin, something only God could do (Mark 2:5). Jesus claimed power to raise the dead (John 5:25-29). He claimed to be honored as God (John 5:18, 23) as well as to be equal with the Father (John 10:30).
Second, Jesus claimed to be the great "I Am." John 8:58 states, "Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.'" This "I Am" reference is made in connection with Exodus 3:14 where God revealed His name to Moses as "I Am." Jesus' statement, then, is a biblical claim for the deity of Christ.
Third, Jesus claimed to be Yahweh God, the same God of Israel from the Old Testament. This included His claim to have eternal glory with the Father (John 17:5), His claim to be the first and the last (Revelation 1:17), His claim to be judge of all humanity (John 5:27), His claim to be the Good Shepherd (John 10:11), His claim to be the Bridegroom (Matthew 25:1; Isaiah 62:5), and His claim to be the light of the world (John 8:12; Psalm 27:1).
Fourth, Jesus also claimed to be the Messiah God. This is evident in many of the titles attributed to Him in the Old Testament that are referred to in the New Testament. These include reference to Jesus as God (Psalm 45:6 and Hebrews 1:8), Lord (Psalm 110:1 and Matthew 22:43-44), Ancient of Days (Daniel 7:9 and Mark 14:61-64), and as Messiah (John 4:26). These references affirm the biblical deity of Christ.
Fifth, Jesus accepted worship as God. Though the Old Testament commanded not to worship anyone but God alone, Jesus accepted worship on many occasions. Some of these included the healed leper who worshipped Him (Matthew 8:2), the ruler who knelt before Jesus after his son had been healed (Matthew 9:18), the Canaanite woman (Matthew 15:25), the mother of James and John (Matthew 20:20), and a demon-possessed man (Mark 5:6). The disciples even prayed to Jesus (Acts 7:59) and in His name (John 14:6; 15:7).
Sixth, Jesus' followers recognized Jesus as God. They called Him God on multiple occasions (John 20:28; Colossians 2:9), referred to Jesus by other names used only of deity, such as Savior of the world (John 4:42), and prayed to or worshiped Jesus as part of the Godhead (Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). John taught He was with God in the beginning as "the word" and that "the word was God" (John 1:1).
While the New Testament never makes the direct statement "Jesus is God," it is clear that He is referred to as deity in a variety of ways. Colossians 2:9 confirms, "For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily." (See also Philippians 2:6). Those who claim Jesus never referred to Himself as God deny many clear statements in Scripture (such as John 14:6). The deity of Jesus is biblical. Jesus is God, the second person of the Triune Godhead, consisting of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made." (John 1:1-3). How different is this from the opening verses of the other Gospels! John opens by immediately presenting Christ not as the Son of David, nor as the Son of man but as the Son of God. John takes us back to the beginning, and shows that the Lord Jesus had no beginning. John goes behind creation and shows that the Savior was Himself the Creator. Every clause in these verses calls for our most careful and prayerful attention (An exposition of the Gospel of John by A. W. Pink)