Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

marke

Well-known member
Heck, if you think you're being 'persecuted' then grow some thicker skin. You aren't. That the ongoing in America in regards to Trump and the asinine 'fraud' allegations are a complete laughing stock is hardly the same thing.
I grieve over the murder of unborn human beings even though I am not being aborted. Thicker skin has nothing to do with grief over atrocities committed by rebels against God.
 

marke

Well-known member
That depends on how one analyzes the propaganda. Some say there is no connection between covid vaccines and the deaths of those who died shortly after receiving the vaccine. There are others who say we should take the vaccine for everyone else's benefit if not for our own. There are others who say the government should shut down and/or restrict the movements of those who refuse to take the vaccine. But what are the facts?

I found this. People dying from unknown causes shortly after taking the vaccine while officials supporting the government narratives insist they see no apparent link between the vaccine and the resulting deaths.

Here are quotes:


A few countries have reported deaths following administration of COVID-19 vaccines, but medical specialists have found no evidence of a connection to the inoculations.

Norwegian officials were the first to report people dying after being inoculated, saying in mid-January that 33 people age 75 and older had died a short time after receiving the COVID vaccine from Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE.

The U.K.’s Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency reported that as of Jan. 24, there were 143 deaths shortly after injections with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and another from AstraZeneca Plc, mainly in elderly people or those with underlying illness, and that there’s no suggestion the vaccines played a role.

And in the U.S., the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said that as of Feb. 7, there were 1,170 reported deaths among people who received either the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine or another from Moderna Inc., a rate of 0.003%, and no evidence suggests a link.
The Biden administration has come up with a new plan. Bribe Americans to do the stupid thing and take the covid shot.

President Joe Biden has called on state and local governments to give $100 to those who opt to get a COVID-19 vaccine.
The White House announced the new plan Thursday as the dangerous delta variant continues to spread across the U.S. and some states lag behind in vaccination rates.
 

marke

Well-known member
Pinhead.

We have been through this before:

Let me try to makes this as simple as possible: Say you have 100 people who don’t get a vaccine, and you find that 10 of them catch the disease. So the baseline risk of getting it is 10%. And suppose that 100 other people get the vaccine, and only 1 of these gets sick. Their risk is 1%. The absolute risk reduction (ARR) is then just 9% (10% minus 1%), because the risk was already pretty low. But the relative risk reduction (RRR) is 90%—that reduction of 9% divided by the baseline risk of 10%.

You do not need to be a genius to realize that relative risk is what matters in the setting where a disease has the potential to explode through the population, as is the case with Covid. Hence, the relatively low figure of 9% is profoundly misleading. Think people think! How many of those 100 would get Covid with no vaccines and no other preventive measures - about 70% the experts say. The disease would spread and spread till herd immunity is achieved.

Let's revisit this scenario above with that in mind. What would we expect if instead of only 10 getting sick in the unvaccinated population, 70 would get sick, as would be the case for Covid? Here is what we would get: 70 in the unvaccinated get sick, 7 in the vaccinated group get sick.

Class dismissed.

Your post is misleading.
What are the present chances of dying from the Delta Variant of covid? Apparently none at all. There is no record of anyone dying from the Delta Variant, making it less deadly than the common cold. Go figger.

Nevertheless, unfolding facts prove the coronavirus is neither reliable as an immunization from covid nor has it proven to be without dangers of creating new serious health problems on its own. Go figger.

Breakthrough infections — fully vaccinated people testing positive for COVID-19 — seem to be cropping up everywhere, including the Tokyo Olympic Games, the White House and Congress.
Public health officials say such infections may be contributing to the spread of the coronavirus, although unvaccinated people account for most of the surge of COVID-19 cases. They point to the virulence of the coronavirus’s delta variant, which first emerged in India.
“What we have learned with the delta variant, which is so highly contagious with an awful lot of spread among the unvaccinated, there’s been spillover into people who are vaccinated, and we’re seeing more so-called breakthrough infections,” said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious diseases professor at Vanderbilt University.
“One of the things we’ve learned is that, although people shed less virus when they are vaccinated, some of those vaccinated people can be transmitters. And that has become more apparent with the delta strain,” he said.
 

ok doser

Well-known member
Say you have 100 people who don’t get a vaccine, and you find that 10 of them catch the disease.
Say you have one person who hasn't gotten a vaccine in the last year-and-a-half and you find that 0 of them have caught the disease. The baseline risk is then zero.

That same person who hasn't gotten a vaccine in the last year-and-a-half also hasn't had any bad reactions to the vaccine.

Win-win!
 

marke

Well-known member
What science?
The left has no science for mandating masks or for demanding covid shots.

Mask-wearing was likely the greatest failed social experiment of our lifetime. Yet its own failure means it continues to be forced down our throats … or noses.


Breakthrough infections — fully vaccinated people testing positive for COVID-19 — seem to be cropping up everywhere, including the Tokyo Olympic Games, the White House and Congress.
 

ok doser

Well-known member
The left has no science for mandating masks or for demanding covid shots.

Mask-wearing was likely the greatest failed social experiment of our lifetime. Yet its own failure means it continues to be forced down our throats … or noses.


Breakthrough infections — fully vaccinated people testing positive for COVID-19 — seem to be cropping up everywhere, including the Tokyo Olympic Games, the White House and Congress.
I was handed out six masks of different types at work last year. Still have all six, four of them have never been used.
 

marke

Well-known member
You still have not provided even a smidgen of evidence that Fauci bears any responsibility for this.
Most Americans have no clue what Fauci has been doing and is still doing. They assume Fauci is a good man with good intentions, who does not lie, and who always has the best judgment. None of that is true. Those who have researched Fauci have an entirely different perspective and facts do not lie.


F) Fauci quietly but directly ensured that scientific censorship was implemented, in large measure to prevent public awareness of the extent of his role in GOF research and the controversies surrounding it. The evidence proves that, at the start of the pandemic, Dr. Fauci and many leading scientists moved to protect themselves — not us, who weren't yet aware of the potential calamity at our doorstep. Fauci led the efforts to obstruct research into COVID's origins, colluding with the president's science adviser Kelvin Droegemeier and Wellcome Trust head Jeremy Farrar, to proactively undermine consideration of the evidence that directly tied their global research initiatives to the lab at the center of the COVID-19 pandemic.
 

way 2 go

Well-known member
We have been through this before:
you had it wrong last time
Let me try to makes this as simple as possible: Say you have 100 people who don’t get a vaccine, and you find that 10 of them catch the disease. So the baseline risk of getting it is 10%. And suppose that 100 other people get the vaccine, and only 1 of these gets sick. Their risk is 1%. The absolute risk reduction (ARR) is then just 9% (10% minus 1%), because the risk was already pretty low. But the relative risk reduction (RRR) is 90%—that reduction of 9% divided by the baseline risk of 10%.
see what you did there

relative risk reduction is for advertising

will use Pfzier study numbers.

link
8÷21720 = 3.68 x100=.03 in Pfzier/BioNTe
162÷21726=.007 x100=.74 placebo

.74 - .03= .71 ARR
You do not need to be a genius to realize that relative risk is what matters in the setting where a disease has the potential to explode through the population, as is the case with Covid. Hence, the relatively low figure of 9% is profoundly misleading. Think people think! How many of those 100 would get Covid with no vaccines and no other preventive measures - about 70% the experts say. The disease would spread and spread till herd immunity is achieved.

Let's revisit this scenario above with that in mind. What would we expect if instead of only 10 getting sick in the unvaccinated population, 70 would get sick, as would be the case for Covid? Here is what we would get: 70 in the unvaccinated get sick, 7 in the vaccinated group get sick.

Screenshot_2021-07-30 Robert Barnes ( barnes_law).png

You can have a lot of fun with relative risk

For example, let’s say that I’m afraid of flying (not because of COVID, I’m just scared of dying in a plane crash). To mitigate that fear, I could choose to no longer fly in planes. Doing so would drop my relative risk of dying in a fiery plane crash to almost zero. We’d be comparing the relative risk of the following:

  • Me dying in a plane crash assuming I travel via plane
  • Me dying in a plane crash assuming I do not travel via plane
By choosing NOT to fly in planes, maybe my relative risk of dying in a plane crash would be somewhere around 99.999% (because a fiery plane could crash into me while I'm doing yard work or something). That’s a HUGE reduction, and a very attractive number. Wouldn’t you want to reduce your risk of dying in a plane crash by 99.99%?

But you have to ask yourself…what is the baseline risk of dying in a plane crash (even if you DO fly in planes)? We have access to this data, and your absolute risk is 0.000009%. A 99.999% reduction from 1 in 11 million isn't nearly as headline worthy, is it? Can you imagine imagine an ad for this when you’re scrolling through you IG feed?
 

User Name

Well-known member
According to data Bloomberg collected from 35 states, 111,748 vaccine breakthrough cases have been identified in the US through the end of July.
"Israel conducted the fastest vaccination campaign against COVID so far. Over 80% of adults are fully vaccinated, which is why only 275 people are hospitalized with COVID in the ENTIRE country of 9 million people. In a country of 9 million people, the high vaccination rate has saved numerous lives. Only 1 to 3 people are dying per day from COVID. In comparison, Louisiana has a population of 4.6 million with only 37% fully vaccinated. Due to low vaccination rates, there are 1,620 patients hospitalized with COVID and 14-20 people dying per day, which tragically will continue to rise."

 

marke

Well-known member
Just remember that Trump is to blame for the "satanic serum":

Most Americans are not aware that the covid shot is not a vaccine, does not guarantee immunity from covid, and has serious risks. It does not matter who supported the covid shot before or supports it now, whether republican or democrat. People should not take the shot if they do not want to risk getting very sick and still remain susceptible to contracting covid.
 

marke

Well-known member
Then what is it, doctor? Fill us all in on the horrible truth.
Let's just say the mRNA covid shots offer a promising alternative to vaccines.

mRNA vaccines represent a promising alternative to conventional vaccine approaches because of their high potency, capacity for rapid development and potential for low-cost manufacture and safe administration.
 

User Name

Well-known member
Even in deep-red South Carolina, ninety-three per cent of senior citizens have received at least one dose. In Nebraska, ninety-five per cent have, and the numbers in Idaho and Florida are ninety per cent and ninety-eight per cent, respectively. There was no mass campaign to combat disinformation among the aged, no detectable conversion of anti-vaxxer senior citizens to pro-science liberals. “They have the same worries about the vaccine, but when they did the risk-benefit it was just so clear to them that the risks were so severe,” Mollyann Brodie, who runs public-opinion surveys on the pandemic for the Kaiser Family Foundation, told me. There is a dark irony in this. For months, conservative television hosts have fulminated to a largely older audience about the madness of the vaccine campaign: Tucker Carlson has scrunched up his face and said the word “Fauci” with Old Testament menace; a renegade ex-Times reporter named Alex Berenson has rattled off statistics in a rhythm that sounds designed to perplex. Through it all, this older audience has tuned in loyally, from armchairs in Idaho and South Carolina, while already fully vaccinated—their cells displaying the telltale protein piece, antibodies formed and ready. They have taken the campaigns on television neither literally nor seriously; they have understood that it is for show.

 

User Name

Well-known member
Several studies, including ones referenced in the CDC’s presentation, have shown that vaccines remain effective against the Delta variant, particularly against hospitalization and death. That has held true in the real world: About 97 percent of those recently hospitalized by the virus were unvaccinated, the CDC said. But in counties where vaccination rates are low, cases are rising fast, and deaths are also on the rise.

In the United Kingdom, the Delta variant became the main form of the virus in May, when a large share of the population had already been vaccinated. Three months later, virus cases are on a downward trend after reaching a level almost as high as the country’s highest-ever peak in January. Deaths have not reached anywhere near previous peaks, a sign that the U.K. vaccine rollout, which prioritized residents by age, protected many of the country’s most vulnerable by the time the Delta variant fueled a surge.

 
Top