Is there a risk of death from the covid vaccine?

chair

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According to proud and deluded fascist democrats the danger will never be over and brutal shutdowns and masking and vaccination mandates lifted as long as there is a danger one more old person might catch the virus and die.
Um, no. That is all in your imagination.

Can you quote one real public health official who actually said anything of the sort?

Here in Israel, thanks to the vaccine, the epidemic is in fact over (assuming no super variants show up). Nearly all restrictions have been lifted. The only one left is wearing masks in indoor public places, and that is expected to go away soon.
 

marke

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Um, no. That is all in your imagination.

Can you quote one real public health official who actually said anything of the sort?

Here in Israel, thanks to the vaccine, the epidemic is in fact over (assuming no super variants show up). Nearly all restrictions have been lifted. The only one left is wearing masks in indoor public places, and that is expected to go away soon.
Here in NC our stupid leftist fascist governor has finally yielded to common sense public opinion and eased shutdown mandates, but the moron is leaving his stupid masking mandates in place. If it was not for stupid policies democrats would have nothing at all.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article250835059.html
Gov. Roy Cooper said Wednesday that he expects to lift almost all restrictions related to the COVID-19 pandemic on June 1 but will keep North Carolina’s mask mandate in place.
Restrictions limiting capacity at indoor restaurants, bars and concert venues are among those that will be lifted, as well as limits on indoor and outdoor gatherings.
 

marke

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How about actually answering my question?
No, I cannot quote a single politician who has said the country needs to dismiss stupid masking and shutdown mandates in the near future, and especially not put a date on when the stupid mandates would be lifted. That means nobody is committing to setting America free from stupid leftist oppression.
 

chair

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According to proud and deluded fascist democrats the danger will never be over and brutal shutdowns and masking and vaccination mandates lifted as long as there is a danger one more old person might catch the virus and die.
Can you quote any public health official or politician who has said the above, or even approximately the above? Anybody? From any state or country? You keep evading the question, which leads me to believe it is your paranoia speaking, not reality.
 

Clete

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The covid vaccines are new. They have not been through years of rigorous testing.
They went through the same testing as any other drug that is approved for emergency use. Same exact testing process. The only difference was the slow downs caused by endless reams of governmental red tape.
With the now hundreds of millions of doses having been administered with no statistically significant issues, it has all but officially been fully approved. They just haven't made the announcement yet. (With Trump no longer running things, the red tape is returning at an exponential rate but these vaccines are still likely to gain full government approval by the end of June.)

Most of what is claimed is nothing but hope and not established fact.
You're a liar, marke! You knew this stupidity was false when you said it.

You need to try to keep in mind that while you are having a discussion with people on a public forum, that the entire discussion is still there, in writing, for the whole world to see!
People do get sick from covid vaccines and people have died shortly after taking the vaccines.
Not in any statistically significant numbers nor in any manner that can even be scientifically linked to the vaccine itself.

A point that has been made and established in this thread a number of times already.

Why do you want science on one hand and disdain it in the other? Are you always this dishonest and inconsistent?
Any lawyer worth his salt could easily convince a jury the vaccine was the culprit if there was money to be made by suing the manufacturer, the administrator, or the business person demanding his employees get the vaccine.
You see! It isn't Pfizer or Moderna or even the FDA that is making claims based on hope, IT'S YOU!!!

Besides that, juries are an excellent way of NOT getting justice. Justice by committee is foolishness. The bigger the committee the rarer the justice and so I'd not put too much stock in what a lawyer can convince of jury of. It is the very antithesis of science, that much is certain.

You consistently demonstrate the thought processes of a leftist. This lawyer/jury comment is just the latest example. Keep it up and I'm going to start suspecting that you're actually not the Christian conservative that I had assumed you to be up till now. You're feeling a bit like a troll at the moment.

Clete
 

marke

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Can you quote any public health official or politician who has said the above, or even approximately the above? Anybody? From any state or country? You keep evading the question, which leads me to believe it is your paranoia speaking, not reality.
No, democrat officials are not saying they will keep their heavy boots on the necks of the American people indefinitely, they just don't admit that is what they are doing without saying so.
 

Arthur Brain

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They went through the same testing as any other drug that is approved for emergency use. Same exact testing process. The only difference was the slow downs caused by endless reams of governmental red tape.
With the now hundreds of millions of doses having been administered with no statistically significant issues, it has all but officially been fully approved. They just haven't made the announcement yet. (With Trump no longer running things, the red tape is returning at an exponential rate but these vaccines are still likely to gain full government approval by the end of June.)


You're a liar, marke! You knew this stupidity was false when you said it.

You need to try to keep in mind that while you are having a discussion with people on a public forum, that the entire discussion is still there, in writing, for the whole world to see!

Not in any statistically significant numbers nor in any manner that can even be scientifically linked to the vaccine itself.

A point that has been made and established in this thread a number of times already.

Why do you want science on one hand and disdain it in the other? Are you always this dishonest and inconsistent?

You see! It isn't Pfizer or Moderna or even the FDA that is making claims based on hope, IT'S YOU!!!

Besides that, juries are an excellent way of NOT getting justice. Justice by committee is foolishness. The bigger the committee the rarer the justice and so I'd not put too much stock in what a lawyer can convince of jury of. It is the very antithesis of science, that much is certain.

You consistently demonstrate the thought processes of a leftist. This lawyer/jury comment is just the latest example. Keep it up and I'm going to start suspecting that you're actually not the Christian conservative that I had assumed you to be up till now. You're feeling a bit like a troll at the moment.

Clete
"The thought processes of a leftist"? Interesting turn of phrase, what does that entail exactly?
 

marke

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They went through the same testing as any other drug that is approved for emergency use. Same exact testing process. The only difference was the slow downs caused by endless reams of governmental red tape.
With the now hundreds of millions of doses having been administered with no statistically significant issues, it has all but officially been fully approved. They just haven't made the announcement yet. (With Trump no longer running things, the red tape is returning at an exponential rate but these vaccines are still likely to gain full government approval by the end of June.)

You're a liar, marke! You knew this stupidity was false when you said it.

How can you prove the vaccine is safe and effective when so many of those who received the vaccine have had serious side effects and some have died as a result of taking the vaccine?
You need to try to keep in mind that while you are having a discussion with people on a public forum, that the entire discussion is still there, in writing, for the whole world to see!

Not in any statistically significant numbers nor in any manner that can even be scientifically linked to the vaccine itself.

Widespread herd immunity and the resulting falling numbers of deaths cannot be entirely attributed to vaccines.
A point that has been made and established in this thread a number of times already.

Why do you want science on one hand and disdain it in the other? Are you always this dishonest and inconsistent?

I point out that scientists disagree and that those who have disagreed with Fauci have been proven right more than Fauci has. So why criticize those who disagree with the 'approved' scientists who support the popular government narratives for daring to believe other scienc=tists who have better arguments and track records? Some government agencies have been instructed not to suggest the covid virus was developed in the Wuhan lab which received support from the US government through Fauci and others, and other agencies have stopped recording the numbers of instances in which people have had bad side effects from the virus.

The gullible mob can mock people like me for not trusting 'approved' spokespeople, but I will go with those who make the best sense and have the most detailed scientific data to back up their claims.
You see! It isn't Pfizer or Moderna or even the FDA that is making claims based on hope, IT'S YOU!!!

Besides that, juries are an excellent way of NOT getting justice. Justice by committee is foolishness. The bigger the committee the rarer the justice and so I'd not put too much stock in what a lawyer can convince of jury of. It is the very antithesis of science, that much is certain.

You consistently demonstrate the thought processes of a leftist. This lawyer/jury comment is just the latest example. Keep it up and I'm going to start suspecting that you're actually not the Christian conservative that I had assumed you to be up till now. You're feeling a bit like a troll at the moment.

Clete
I disagree with OSHA's refusal to track instances of bad effects resulting from the vaccines and the government's refusal to indemnify employers from lawsuits if any of their employees get sick from the vaccine the government makes them force their employees to take.
 

marke

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"The thought processes of a leftist"? Interesting turn of phrase, what does that entail exactly?
Leftists are known for stupid thinking as is revealed in their support for communism, socialism, Marxism, hedonism, atheism, evolutionism, racism, anarchy, idolatry, violence, sodomy, abortion, and the like.
 

Arthur Brain

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Leftists are known for stupid thinking as is revealed in their support for communism, socialism, Marxism, hedonism, atheism, evolutionism, racism, anarchy, idolatry, violence, sodomy, abortion, and the like.
Interesting. Do you compartmentalize everyone with a differing political opinion to yourself into such a silly little box? Fascinating psychological insight.
 

Clete

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How can you prove the vaccine is safe and effective when so many of those who received the vaccine have had serious side effects and some have died as a result of taking the vaccine?
Hundreds of millions of doses have be administered, marke! There's been virtually no serious side effects at all and far fewer deaths.

That's completely ignoring the alternative which is massive numbers of deaths on a worldwide scale of mostly elderly people from COVID-19!
Widespread herd immunity and the resulting falling numbers of deaths cannot be entirely attributed to vaccines.
This is likely another lie. You now seem to comfortable with telling lies, marke. Why is that?

The only herd immunities that have been achieved without vaccines required the death of a third or more of the population (e.g. the black plague, Bubonic plague). Most any disease you've ever heard of where herd immunity has been achieved has everything to do with a vaccine. Most epidemics are not controlled by herd immunity but end up burning themselves out because of other factors as Ebola appears to be doing despite breakouts of the disease still happening from time to time.

As for COVID-19, herd immunity definitely has not yet been achieved and we'd likely never achieve it at all without the vaccines.

I point out that scientists disagree and that those who have disagreed with Fauci have been proven right more than Fauci has.
I've never one time quoted Dr. Fouci to support a single solitary point I've made against your ridiculous fear mongering stupidity.

Dr. Fouci is a liar just like you are.

So why criticize those who disagree with the 'approved' scientists who support the popular government narratives for daring to believe other scienctists who have better arguments and track records?
Show me the science done by these "other scientists".

You haven't done so to this point and you never will because no such science exists.

Some government agencies have been instructed not to suggest the covid virus was developed in the Wuhan lab which received support from the US government through Fauci and others,
So what? Politics has nothing to do with science.

and other agencies have stopped recording the numbers of instances in which people have had bad side effects from the virus.
Bull.

There are hundreds of government agencies - thousands actually. Just because one stops keeping track of something doesn't mean it isn't being kept track of.

Further, it isn't the government's job anyway. You don't need the government's help or even their sanction in order to do good science.

The gullible mob can mock people like me for not trusting 'approved' spokespeople, but I will go with those who make the best sense and have the most detailed scientific data to back up their claims.
If that were true 90% of this thread wouldn't exist.

No one has asked you to believe Dr. Fouci or any other "'approved' spokesman" ("spokespeople" is not a word in the English language) unless your a left winger who's mind is focused on things like the color of people's skin and whether they have tits or not.

I disagree with OSHA's refusal to track instances of bad effects resulting from the vaccines and the government's refusal to indemnify employers from lawsuits if any of their employees get sick from the vaccine the government makes them force their employees to take.
There is no such governmental agency forcing any company to force their employees to take any vaccine.

All you've got is conspiracy theories and flat out stupidity.

Clete
 

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Hundreds of millions of doses have be administered, marke! There's been virtually no serious side effects at all and far fewer deaths.
And it is statistically inevitable that a small percentage of those hundreds of millions of people would get sick or even die suddenly soon after receiving the vaccine because people get sick and die all the time--but correlation does not prove causation. Good luck convincing the conspiracists of that, however.
 

marke

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Hundreds of millions of doses have be administered, marke! There's been virtually no serious side effects at all and far fewer deaths.

That's completely ignoring the alternative which is massive numbers of deaths on a worldwide scale of mostly elderly people from COVID-19!

This is likely another lie. You now seem to comfortable with telling lies, marke. Why is that?


You claim vaccines prevent infections from covid, but you do not prove they are 100% safe or effective or that falling covid deaths are entirely the result of vaccines.
The only herd immunities that have been achieved without vaccines required the death of a third or more of the population (e.g. the black plague, Bubonic plague). Most any disease you've ever heard of where herd immunity has been achieved has everything to do with a vaccine. Most epidemics are not controlled by herd immunity but end up burning themselves out because of other factors as Ebola appears to be doing despite breakouts of the disease still happening from time to time.

As for COVID-19, herd immunity definitely has not yet been achieved and we'd likely never achieve it at all without the vaccines.

The numbers of covid deaths were falling before the vaccines came out.
I've never one time quoted Dr. Fouci to support a single solitary point I've made against your ridiculous fear mongering stupidity.

Dr. Fouci is a liar just like you are.
You are also a liar, according to God.

Psalm 116:11
I said in my haste, All men are liars.
 

chair

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You claim vaccines prevent infections from covid, but you do not prove they are 100% safe or effective or that falling covid deaths are entirely the result of vaccines.
They aren't 100% safe or 100% effective. Nobody claims they are. They are 99.999% safe and about 95% effective. Considering the very real danger from the disease, they are great!

The demand that vaccines be 100% safe and 100% effective is unreasonable. We don't expect that from anything.
 

chair

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marke

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Can you prove that peanuts are 100% safe?
No, but I can prove Fauci and government officials lied when they said they had no involvement in the creation of the covid virus in the Wuhan lab. Will that help? Fauci lied before Congress. If Michael Cohen went to jail for lying to Congress then so should Fauci. What makes him immune to prosecution for crimes?
 
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