Arthur Brain
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It's not nice at all but it most certainly is true. It's kinda funny when you accuse other people of trolling here given your history but eh, do carry on. The projection is almost hilarious.
Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment biblical or not?
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It's not nice at all but it most certainly is true. It's kinda funny when you accuse other people of trolling here given your history but eh, do carry on. The projection is almost hilarious.
glorydaz
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What's the difference?
I have never blamed God for the separation or the torment.
So why are you asking me this question?
Then it's for their unbelief...correct?
That's about as poor of a use of scripture as I've seen in many a day.
Context is everything.
James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him. 6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. 7 For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.
ok doser
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[MENTION=10403]Arthur Brain[/MENTION]:
glorydaz
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What kind of a rabbit trail are you inviting me to enter, JR?
I'll jump. I would NOT break up the family, and send the boy off to reform school.
I would counsel them and watch them closely so the offence would not be continued.
Arthur Brain
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The semantics where it comes to torment/torture is just unreal. Like that makes any difference to a person who's suffering.
Then there's the hyperbole arguments of those who have committed heinous atrocities/simple unbelief. The "Hitler" one comes up pretty often except if it's actual lack of belief that sends someone to "hell" then a lot of the victims of such would be in the same place.
One difference is that whilst I despise the unloving attitudes of certain ilk who believe and even take glee in the prospect of the suffering of others, I wouldn't return the same in kind. I'd hope that all of mankind takes a step forward, flaws and all and have hope in something way beyond man made doctrine.
glorydaz
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I'm not sure why you think this question is worth a reply...much less clogging up the board with it.
Justice is apart from love, so why are you insisting one make a choice.
ok doser
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then you deny justice to the daughter
ok doser
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not asking you glory
ok doser
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as a consequence of their own free-will choice
glorydaz
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Even Hitler was a child made in the image of God.
It's hard to preach love and hate at the same time, isn't it?
But, that's exactly what happens way too often.
Arthur Brain
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Ah, the hyperbole argument again. On this plane and on the next, justice. On an emotive level it would be real easy to say fry the guy here and let him fry in the next. But then you advocate and take glee in the prospect of the average guy burning through eternity don't you?
Fail.
glorydaz
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Too bad. I don't need your permission to speak....last I heard.
ok doser
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ok, so at least at some level you do understand that the wicked deserve justice :thumb:
glorydaz
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Maybe in your mind.
In fact, I would be exhibiting the forgiveness that God has shown to us all, and by protecting her from future molestation, I would be providing justice. Do you really think a sister would want her brother stoned to death? Do two wrongs make it right?
glorydaz
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Quite the trickster, aren't you? We didn't see that. :chuckle:
Arthur Brain
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And as per usual you've quote mined my post. Telling that you were driven to gross exaggeration when you've repeatedly shown how much you'd love to see posters here burn in hell simply for having a difference of opinion.
Lame.
And you would do this... How?
Justice is letting a rapist live?
Does justice depend on what the sister wants?
In other words, is the standard of justice arbitrary?
ok doser
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rather, i removed your silly nonsense to focus on the question asked and the answer given
was i wrong?
do you or do you not understand that the wicked deserve justice?
Not a rabbit trail.
I'm using an analogy to compare and contrast your decisions to God's decisions, so we can look at where they differ.
So, you would, effectively, imprison the girl with her brother to make sure he doesn't molest his sister again?
glorydaz
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Is it so difficult to know what is going on in your own household?
I had kids who grew up in my house, and I was more than able to know what was going on.
It's called watching and being aware.
Now it's rape?
You are talking two children in the same family, correct?
Or has the story changed that much?
I do NOT believe in enforcing the Law of Moses in my household, if we're back to that again.
The victim should have a say.
I have no idea what you mean by that. It could be anything.
I would say discretion would be required ie "discretion of the judge".