glorydaz
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So you claim you love more than others. Gotcha. :thumb:
Is the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment biblical or not?
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So you claim you love more than others. Gotcha. :thumb:
I asked what kind of church and you told me what you USED to be, what kind of church do you attend, will you be honest this time?
Arthur Brain
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Not hard to have more empathy and compassion than people who insist that others deserve to rot in pain for eternity GD. Do the math.
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Its always more loving to allow someone to walk off a cliff to their death, than to warn them and try to lead them to what saves.
way 2 go
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/eternal
[h=2]Definition of eternal[/h] 1 a : having infinite duration : everlasting
- eternal damnation
glorydaz
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Not hard to have more empathy and compassion than people who insist that others deserve to rot in pain for eternity GD. Do the math.
I don't see anyone claiming it's their call about what God has ordained.
It's merely a matter of facing reality or living in lala land.
way 2 go
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look up the word run there are 179 definitions for that word
eternal = everlasting, ceaseless, endless
still sounds like you are talking universal salvation
all who believe
Rom 3:22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.
human soul survives without the body
Luk 16:23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.
Luk 16:24 And he called out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.'
physical place
24/7
in heaven
everlasting, ceaseless, endless
forever and ever is fine just like everlasting, ceaseless, endless
so far you are the one coming up empty
Arthur Brain
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Well, no, of course it isn't but it doesn't surprise me that you'd make that erroneous comparison.
Arthur Brain
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It's a doctrine, not 'reality' and if you think love represents eternal torment then check where you're residing at right now. You're hardly the most empathetic of people on here as it is.
Veritas veritate
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freelight
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Christians have empathy and compassion the same as every person (normal people), we love as much as any non Christian does. Christians are not trying to "brainwash" anybody, we're trying to share the truth about Jesus Christ and what His name means. In the end, every unbeliever and believer alike will confess Jesus Christ as Lord and every knee shall bow.Not hard to have more empathy and compassion than people who insist that others deserve to rot in pain for eternity
Pilippians 2:10-11 KJV - That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
I dont interpret how they interpret perish. I am a Christian too.
Unfortunately, that kind of belief is the majority of Christians. So many are applauding and cheering her.
Arthur Brain
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I'm not arguing that the majority don't. I'm referring to the zealous types who not only promote their belief in interminable suffering of non believers, 'heretics' etc but even bask in a gleeful anticipation of other people's pain under a guise of 'self righteousness'. Some of the most callous, selfish and flippant attitudes have been aired on here with certain zealots wishing "hell" on people or how they can't wait to see folk 'burning' etc. There's no love in that.
Not sure why you're bringing the above verses into this exactly, unless you believe that all non believers are carted off to a fiery pit or something after acknowledging there's a God?
marhig
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Those born of God shouldn't want to see anyone burn in lakes of fire, we should have hope for everyone. And hope that they might be reconciled to God with the hope of eternal life not eternal death. And by the love of God, we should be hoping to pull them out of the fire through Christ, not push them in and warm our hands watching with glee!
Look at this in Jude 1
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Look at this in Jude 1
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Christianity is not popularity, friend.
Popularity seeking is one of the many reasons of churches' corruption.
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freelight
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God's INFINITE LOVE.......
God's INFINITE LOVE.......
Just revisiting this thread with my blog-link on ECT above and extended commentaries for those interested. I still find it boggling that many still believe in ECT, talk about 'cognitive dissonance' with a God who is all loving and merciful.
Blog Portal on ECT here.
God's INFINITE LOVE.......
Just revisiting this thread with my blog-link on ECT above and extended commentaries for those interested. I still find it boggling that many still believe in ECT, talk about 'cognitive dissonance' with a God who is all loving and merciful.
Blog Portal on ECT here.
Why care about the ECT? What reason should I care about them, I ask you?
Aimiel
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And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
You can pretend that ECT doesn't exist all you want: God doesn't lie. He said that torment never ceases.
You can pretend that ECT doesn't exist all you want: God doesn't lie. He said that torment never ceases.