Is Jesus God?

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_000_ said:
Therefore Jesus is not God over His Father.

As I stated.

Because they are of the same Spirit.
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John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you,
I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me,
ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father:
for my Father is greater than I.

I WIN.
 
CherubRam

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_000_ said:
Why do you believe that God is your Father?
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[FONT=&quot]Adoption to sonship[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Malachi 2:15[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Has not the one God made you? You belong to him in body and spirit. And what does the one God seek? Godly offspring.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Romans 8:15[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Romans 8:23[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Romans 9:4[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Galatians 4:5[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Ephesians 1:5[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will—[/FONT]
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CherubRam said:
[FONT="]Adoption to sonship[/FONT][/B]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]Malachi 2:15[/FONT][/COLOR][/URL][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Has not the one God made you? You belong to him in body and spirit. [B]And what does the one God seek? Godly offspring.[/B][/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
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[URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+8:15&version=NIV"][FONT="]Romans 8:15[/FONT][/COLOR][/URL][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your [B]adoption to sonship.[/B] And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.”[/FONT]
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[URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+8:23&version=NIV"][FONT="]Romans 8:23[/FONT][/COLOR][/URL][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our [B]adoption to sonship[/B], the redemption of our bodies.[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+9:4&version=NIV"][FONT="]Romans 9:4[/FONT][/COLOR][/URL][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]the people of Israel. Theirs is the [B]adoption to sonship[/B]; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises.[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+4:5&version=NIV"][FONT="]Galatians 4:5[/FONT][/COLOR][/URL][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to [B]sonship[/B].[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+1:5&version=NIV"][FONT="]Ephesians 1:5[/FONT][/COLOR][/URL][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]he predestined us for [B]adoption to sonship[/B] through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will—[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
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You have presented your case
before the Lord now I will
present mine before the Lord.

WHO STARTED THAT LIE YOU ARE ADOPTED BY GOD?

GOD:
John 1:13
Which were BORN, not of blood,
nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man, but of God.

THE DEVIL:
Which were ADOPTED, not of blood,
nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man, but of God.

JESUS:
John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily,
I say unto thee, Except a man be BORN again,
he cannot see the kingdom of God.

THE DEVIL:
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily,
I say unto thee, Except a man be ADOPTED again,
he cannot see the kingdom of God.

JESUS:
John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be BORN of water and of the Spirit,
he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

THE DEVIL:
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be ADOPTED of water and of the Spirit,
he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

JESUS:
John 3:6
That which is BORN of the flesh is flesh;
and that which is BORN of the Spirit is spirit.

THE DEVIL:
That which is ADOPTED of the flesh is flesh;
and that which is ADOPTED of the Spirit is spirit.

JESUS:
John 3:7
Marvel not that I said unto thee,
Ye must be BORN again.

THE DEVIL:
Marvel not that I said unto thee,
Ye must be ADOPTED again.

JESUS:
John 3:8
The wind bloweth where it listeth,
and thou hearest the sound thereof,
but canst not tell whence it cometh,
and whither it goeth: so is every one
that is BORN of the Spirit.

THE DEVIL:
The wind bloweth where it listeth,
and thou hearest the sound thereof,
but canst not tell whence it cometh,
and whither it goeth: so is every one
ADOPTED of the Spirit.

GOD:
1 John 3:9
Whosoever is BORN of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin,
because he is BORN of God.

THE DEVIL:
Whosoever is ADOPTED of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin,
because he is ADOPTED of God.


WHO SAID THIS
THE DEVIL OR GOD?

Romans Chapter 8
For ye have not received
the spirit of bondage again to fear;
but ye have received the Spirit of adoption,
whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
 
Rosenritter

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Bright Raven said:
Give Book, Chapter and verse to support your claim.
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1 Corinthians 15:27 KJV
(27) For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

I bet that's the passage he's thinking of?
 
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Please post any flaws or errors you can find in this statement.

Jesus is God over everyone except His Father.
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Jesus is "Life" over everyone except His Father? The statement seems flawed because pretty much everyone here (self included) has trouble understanding what you actually mean. I suggest that the purpose of a statement is to communicate, so if it doesn't communicate it's flawed?
 
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Rosenritter said:
Jesus is "Life" over everyone except His Father? The statement seems flawed because pretty much everyone here (self included) has trouble understanding what you actually mean. I suggest that the purpose of a statement is to communicate, so if it doesn't communicate it's flawed?
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John 1:4
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

John 5:40
And ye will not come to me,
that ye might have life.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way,
the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,
but by me.
 
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Besides the Lord God
has already passed judgement
on all this today.

Already been decided in the Spirit realm.

I posted those scriptures for your sake.
 
Rosenritter

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_000_ said:
John 1:4
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

John 5:40
And ye will not come to me,
that ye might have life.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way,
the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,
but by me.
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"Life" doesn't tell who a person is. "Life" could be an impersonal cosmic fluffy rainbow force or someone's idea of a Gaia goddess. You have a platform to explain what you would like so I don't understand why you would waste it by being vague.
 
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