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Is Calvinism Wrong?
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grit
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We are saved by grace alone (Ephesians 1:7), through faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), in Christ alone (John 14:6; Acts 4:11-12), as revealed in Christian scripture alone (2 Timothy 3:16–17), to the glory of God alone (Revelation 4:11).
Happy to give you your first "Thank You".
That is because Calvinism is anti-Gospel and the Gospel believer is anti-Calvinist.
lifeisgood
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What is PREDESTINED is the Plan of Salvation NOT the people.
Predestination does EXIST to the extent that God did HAVE a PLAN OF SALVATION.
-God FOREKNEW that there would be some who would seek Him and come to know His son.
-God did PREPLAN a way of forgiveness through His son and what His Son would do at the Cross of Calvary.
-God FOREKNEW the reward or inheritance He would give to those who would follow Him.
NOWHERE in God’s word does it show that God TOOK AWAY man’s own CHOICE to FOLLOW Him. MAN’s own CHOICE is the most important act of love toward God that he can do.
Predestination does EXIST to the extent that God did HAVE a PLAN OF SALVATION.
-God FOREKNEW that there would be some who would seek Him and come to know His son.
-God did PREPLAN a way of forgiveness through His son and what His Son would do at the Cross of Calvary.
-God FOREKNEW the reward or inheritance He would give to those who would follow Him.
NOWHERE in God’s word does it show that God TOOK AWAY man’s own CHOICE to FOLLOW Him. MAN’s own CHOICE is the most important act of love toward God that he can do.
lifeisgood
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Tambora and I have asked B57 and I have asked Nanja:
Do you tell your children when you put them to bed that God loves them?
Or
Do you tell them that they might be ones that were born only so God could send them to hell and there isn't a darn thing they can do about it?
We're still waiting for an answer.
Do you tell your children when you put them to bed that God loves them?
Or
Do you tell them that they might be ones that were born only so God could send them to hell and there isn't a darn thing they can do about it?
We're still waiting for an answer.
beloved57
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Pateism teaches that the death/blood of Christ failed to save/redeem all for whom it was for !
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Then why did you give the Strongs definition 4100 , and make it look as if you got it from the Vines unabridged ?
I expect this kind of thing from others here AMR , but i " thought " although wrong in your understanding of Faith and faithing , held yourself to a higher standard .
Please remedy this by giving the Vines definition I said was in it . " A personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender ."
Rosenritter
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Why do you persist in repeating a demonstrably incorrect statement that all instances of πιστεύω means proceeding in a life of faith, faithing, or whatever your special interpretation happens to be, and that the English believe is an incorrect translation?
Jas 2:19 KJV
(19) Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Is your goal to argue that the translation is incorrect, or is your goal to speak on the higher matter of faith?
P.S. While chasing after Greek, you seem to be lacking in English. Have you tried consulting an English dictionary before claiming that the word is mistranslated?
be·lieve
bəˈlēv
verb
verb: believe; 3rd person present: believes; past tense: believed; past participle: believed; gerund or present participle: believing
accept the statement of (someone) as true. "he didn't believe her or didn't want to know"
have faith, especially religious faith. "there are those on the fringes of the Church who do not really believe"
Just copied the exact definition out of the Strongs and Vines . I did this so it would be a indefensible , but I didn't think " Christians " would resort to deception and playing dumb . Take a good look at yourselves .
Rosenritter
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Right... indefensible it is. Which goes back to the point that proficiency in English is a basic requirement before one can have credibility to critique another's translation from Greek to English.
in·de·fen·si·ble
ˌindəˈfensəb(ə)l
adjective
1. not justifiable by argument.
"the policy of apartheid was morally indefensible"
synonyms: inexcusable, unjustifiable, unjustified, unpardonable, unforgivable; More
2. not able to be protected against attack.
"the towns were tactically indefensible"
synonyms: inexcusable, unjustifiable, unjustified, unpardonable, unforgivable; More
P.s. Are you ever going to face up that the passage in James contradicts your absolute rule that you claim as to the meaning of the Greek πιστεύω, and it does demonstrate that James addresses that there is a range of meaning in that Greek word?
Why would I discuss something as important as God's Word you you or anyone who refuses to acknowledge or accept the true definitions given by expert authors ? I'm building credibility by just presenting correct definitions given by the top Greek scholars through the Strongs and Vines .
You have chose to reject what the Strongs and Vines states about pisteuo . So you have yet to establish credibility that " could " Leed to meaningful discussion . And thats by your choice ..
Rosenritter
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James was not an expert author of the New Testament? If a so-called "expert" is can be easily shown to be in error, that "expert" is to be discarded. My expert trumps your expert. The scriptures are inspired, "Vines" is not.
Salvation is a gift from God for EVERYONE that believes, Romans 5:15, Romans 5:16, Romans 5:17, Romans 5:18.
genuineoriginal
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I provided links, you have not.
I have provided the full text, you have not.
You have obviously taken a minority definition/wording from whatever source you took them from and built your entire dogma on your misunderstanding of those minority definitions/wordings.
Your teachings have been proven false.
I am sorry that you are so unable to comprehend what you have been reading that you can't accept anything except your own misunderstanding.