Faith is given to make boasting impossible but you think it's possible due to your blindness and you boast about earning salvation with your superpowers.
How the Gospel Refutes Calvinism, All Religions
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If elects reject then they wouldn't be elected meaning they were not elects. Unregenerates don't know what reject. They have no clue nor care. You can't run around saying elects are not elects when they were elected.
dodge
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So you believe Jesus was wrong when He said whosoever believes in Him would not perish but have eternal life ?
You believe the Apostle was wrong when asked by the jailer what must I do to be saved and he was told confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead ?
You believe Paul was wrong when he said in Romans chapter 10 that whosoever believes would not perish ?
Tulip believes all of those false teachings of the so called elect.
:rotfl:
There's no such thing as a "Calvinistic Elect Individual", because, Calvinism is a false doctrine.
TB is a disease and TB (TulipBee) spreads a false doctrine. Therefore, they are both to be considered diseases.
Sonnet
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This did not deal with what I said.
You said that Calvinists preach 'Christ died for our sins' to unbelievers. Well. yes. some do but not all. Those that do contradict their own theology and mislead their audience. Those that wont are cursed by Paul in Galatians 1:8-9.
Jesus is always right.
All mankind are unbelievers including you and Christ died and saved his people. It's the timing and order you refuse to deal with.
Those other than sonnet who are reading this must remember the bible said It is man who: - is deceitful and desperately sick (Jer. 17:9).- is full of evil (Mark 7:21-23).- loves darkness rather than light (John 3:19).- is unrighteous, does not understand, does not seek for God (Rom. 3:10-12).- is helpless and ungodly (Rom. 5:6).- is dead in his trespasses and sins (Eph. 2:1).- is by nature a child of wrath (Eph. 2:3).- cannot understand spiritual things (1 Cor. 2:14).- is a slave of sin (Rom. 6:16-20).
The Calvinists also believes it is God who:- draws people to Himself (John 6:44,65).- creates a clean heart (Psalm 51:10).- appoints people to believe (Acts 13:48).- works faith in the believer (John 6:28-29).- chooses who is to be holy and blameless (Eph. 1:4).- chooses us for salvation (2 Thess. 2:13-14).- grants the act of believing (Phil. 1:29).- grants repentance (2 Tim. 2:24-26).- calls according to His purpose (2 Tim. 1:9).- causes us to be born again (1 Pet. 1:3).- predestines us to salvation (Rom. 8:29-30).- predestines us to adoption (Eph. 1:5).- predestines us according to His purpose (Eph. 1:11).- makes us born again not by our will but by His will (John 1:12-13).
Nice feminine picture of you. Are you a transgender? I ask you than cause you seem confused about the Bible as well
"God so loves the world that he gave his only begotten Son" John 3:16.
God predestinates no one to heaven or to hell. What he does is he makes salvation available to everyone, Hebrews 2:9. So that "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
God is no respecter of persons. He doesn't save some and damn the rest to hell. The Bible doesn't teach that. The Bible teaches that he is not willing that any should perish, 2 Peter 3:9.
You have a wrong view of the nature and character of God. You don't trust him. It is not possible to have saving faith in the God of Calvinism. He is a mean unmerciful, unjust tyrant.
Nanja
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Apparently, It's not God's Will for you to know His Nature and Character, which is evident by the fact that you don't believe His Words such as these:
Dan. 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Only God's Will is Free and Sovereign and controls and determines all others' will!
~~~~~
beloved57
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Promoting salvation by works, by what a person does.
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beloved57
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Sonnet
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Yes, man is depraved.
Correct in terms of doing so always - but not correct in terms of ability.
“There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away,
TulipBee - what did they turn away from?
Agreed.
The message of wisdom for the mature believe would not be understood by the unbeliever - yes that is correct. Go back to verses 1-5 for the gospel of Christ crucified.
Yes.
Regarding Acts 13:48 - contrast that with the passage on Jews: v.46 Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles.
The Gentiles, in contrast, did not reject it and considered themselves worthy. 'Tetagmenoi' may be translated in this context.
It doesn't say that.
No, God chose that those in Him would be holy and blameless.
But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.
You could have emphasised: 'and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.'
Called to a 'holy life' - and?
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Indeed. What of it?
And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
Those foreknow are predestined to be conformed to his image. Not sure how this helps your theology.
Those in him are predestined - not who would be in him.
Same point.
Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God — children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
Those who received him became children of God, being born again. The 'born again' bit is all god's doing.
Why does this assist your theology?
Sonnet
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None of this dealt with what I said:
So you, as a Calvinist, preach 'Christ died for our sins' to unbelievers - when you do not believe that Christ died for all men. That is misleading. Your theology has forced you to be so.
Sonnet
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There are two people in the photo.
Ephesians 1:4-5, 11
"Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will ... also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will."
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and not of yourselves, it is the gift of God
A lot of people on here have a warped idea of what election is, not wanting to accept that is very much intrinsic with predestination and not universal.
The Bible has plenty to say of the world hating God, and those are the people who ARE NOT THE ELECT.
Do the math, hombres, Calvinism is the gospel.
"Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will ... also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will."
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and not of yourselves, it is the gift of God
A lot of people on here have a warped idea of what election is, not wanting to accept that is very much intrinsic with predestination and not universal.
The Bible has plenty to say of the world hating God, and those are the people who ARE NOT THE ELECT.
Do the math, hombres, Calvinism is the gospel.
Epoisses
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Peter said that he was elect by the foreknowledge of God not by a fiat declaration before the world began.
Calvinism is a false gospel that perverts the faith of Jesus Christ.