How Jesus Justifies the Ungodly, Romans 4:5.

[Robert Pate]

According to the scriptures 2 Tim. 3:16, God created a World of people, His Vessels of Wrath, the reprobates, the Seed of the serpent, for the sole purpose of destroying / condemning them Rom. 9:20-22; Jude 1:4; Prov. 16:4; John 3:18, 36; Mat. 25:41.

Yet on the other hand, God created another World of People, His Vessels of Mercy He has Chosen in Christ to be their Surety Saviour Heb. 7:22 from Everlasting; to be holy and without blame before Him in Love John 3:16, to an Eternal Inheritance Eph. 1:4-11; Rom. 8:17.

This was God's Purpose in Election Rom. 9:11!

Job 23:13-14
13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. 14 For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.

The created thing dare not question Creator God Rom. 9:20!

There are not two worlds. God does not create living souls that he can destroy. If anyone goes to hell it will be because they have rejected God's great free gift that has been provided for them by Jesus Christ.

You negative belief about God and his Son Jesus Christ is what will send you to hell. You have 0 faith.

 

[Nanja]

There are not two worlds. God does not create living souls that he can destroy. If anyone goes to hell it will be because they have rejected God's great free gift that has been provided for them by Jesus Christ.

You negative belief about God and his Son Jesus Christ is what will send you to hell. You have 0 faith.

I just showed you from the scriptures where it says He does create some to destroy.

Salvation isn't based on works, what person does or does not do.

But what God has determined according to His Will for them Dan. 4:35!


The only Faith that Justifies is a fruit and gift of the Holy Spirit Gal. 5:22; Eph. 2:8 given in New Birth!

 

[Robert Pate]

I just showed you from the scriptures where it says He does create some to destroy.

Salvation isn't based on works, what person does or does not do.

But what God has determined according to His Will for them Dan. 4:35!


The only Faith that Justifies is a fruit and gift of the Holy Spirit Gal. 5:22; Eph. 2:8 given in New Birth!

Your Calvinist god is self defeating. What it requires you to believe about God and his Son Jesus Christ is what will condemn you to hell.

There is nothing in Calvinism that honors God and glorifies his Son Jesus Christ. It is the anti-grace, anti-faith, anti-Gospel, anti-Christ and anti-God religion.

 

[Nanja]

Your Calvinist god is self defeating. What it requires you to believe about God and his Son Jesus Christ is what will condemn you to hell.

There is nothing in Calvinism that honors God and glorifies his Son Jesus Christ. It is the anti-grace, anti-faith, anti-Gospel, anti-Christ and anti-God religion.

Calling Him a Calvinist God just shows your ignorance of the scriptures!

God is Sovereign over all His Creation Dan. 4:35!

His Grace is extended exclusively to the World of His Election of Grace!

2 Tim. 1:8-9
8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

You have shown that you find God's Will repulsive. Woe unto you!

 

[Robert Pate]

Calling Him a Calvinist God just shows your ignorance of the scriptures!

God is Sovereign over all His Creation Dan. 4:35!

His Grace is extended exclusively to the World of His Election of Grace!

2 Tim. 1:8-9
8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

You have shown that you find God's Will repulsive. Woe unto you!

Of course your Calvinist God is Calvinist. It most certainly is not the God of the Bible.

The God of the Bible sends his only begotten Son into the world to save the world, John 12:47 and to reconcile us and the world unto himself, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

What does your Calvinist God do? He does nothing to save fallen man. He just condemns billions to hell, which makes him unjust.

You don't believe the Gospel, nor do you have saving faith in Christ. You are a fraud.

 

[Nanja]

Of course your Calvinist God is Calvinist. It most certainly is not the God of the Bible.

The God of the Bible sends his only begotten Son into the world to save the world, John 12:47 and to reconcile us and the world unto himself, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

What does your Calvinist God do? He does nothing to save fallen man. He just condemns billions to hell, which makes him unjust.

You don't believe the Gospel, nor do you have saving faith in Christ. You are a fraud.

It shall be made clear in the Day of Judgment!

Is. 54:17
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.

 

[beloved57]

There are not two worlds. God does not create living souls that he can destroy. If anyone goes to hell it will be because they have rejected God's great free gift that has been provided for them by Jesus Christ.

You negative belief about God and his Son Jesus Christ is what will send you to hell. You have 0 faith.

False and invalid comments not found in scripture. Also you don't believe that Christ death alone saved them He died for! That's unbelief.

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[beloved57]

Pate

If anyone goes to hell it will be because they have rejected God's great free gift that has been provided for them by Jesus Christ.

So you teach that people who are sinners, because they act like sinners, Christ won't save them. That's ridiculous!

 

[Robert Pate]

According to the scriptures 2 Tim. 3:16, God created a World of people, His Vessels of Wrath, the reprobates, the Seed of the serpent, for the sole purpose of destroying / condemning them Rom. 9:20-22; Jude 1:4; Prov. 16:4; John 3:18, 36; Mat. 25:41.

Yet on the other hand, God created another World of People, His Vessels of Mercy He has Chosen in Christ to be their Surety Saviour Heb. 7:22 from Everlasting; to be holy and without blame before Him in Love John 3:16, to an Eternal Inheritance Eph. 1:4-11; Rom. 8:17.

This was God's Purpose in Election Rom. 9:11!

Job 23:13-14
13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. 14 For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.

The created thing dare not question Creator God Rom. 9:20!

The reason that you are lost and are hell bound is because of your twisted beliefs about God and his Son Jesus Christ. The God that you believe in cannot be loved or trusted.

 

[Nanja]

The reason that you are lost and are hell bound is because of your twisted beliefs about God and his Son Jesus Christ. The God that you believe in cannot be loved or trusted.

False accusation. I believe what the scriptures declare without compromise.


Why do you reject and despise God's Sovereignty in Election?


John 17:2
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.


Rom. 9:11
(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)


Why do you struggle with the Truth of scripture that God decided in eternity those which would be His Vessels of Mercy, and those which would be Vessels of Wrath prepared to destruction?

Rom. 9:20-23

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,


Why do you reject those scriptures?

And these: Jude 1:4; Prov. 16:4; John 3:18, 36; Mat. 25:41?

You are at enmity with God!

 

[Robert Pate]

False accusation. I believe what the scriptures declare without compromise.


Why do you reject and despise God's Sovereignty in Election?


John 17:2
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.


Rom. 9:11
(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)


Why do you struggle with the Truth of scripture that God decided in eternity those which would be His Vessels of Mercy, and those which would be Vessels of Wrath prepared to destruction?

Rom. 9:20-23

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,


Why do you reject those scriptures?

And these: Jude 1:4; Prov. 16:4; John 3:18, 36; Mat. 25:41?

You are at enmity with God!

Instead of trusting in Christ and his Gospel for your salvation, you have chosen to trust in the words of a heretic.

 

[Nanja]

Instead of trusting in Christ and his Gospel for your salvation, you have chosen to trust in the words of a heretic.

Which words are you referring to?

I posted God's Words!

Now please answer the questions I asked:


Nanja

False accusation. I believe what the scriptures declare without compromise.


Why do you reject and despise God's Sovereignty in Election?


John 17:2
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.


Rom. 9:11
(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)


Why do you struggle with the Truth of scripture that God decided in eternity those which would be His Vessels of Mercy, and those which would be Vessels of Wrath prepared to destruction?

Rom. 9:20-23

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,


Why do you reject those scriptures?

And these: Jude 1:4; Prov. 16:4; John 3:18, 36; Mat. 25:41?

You are at enmity with God!

 

[God's Truth]

Catholics and other holiness religions hate Romans 4:5. Ungodly sinners love it.

"But to him that does NO WORKS, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.

The word "Justify" is the key to understanding this scripture.

JUSTIFY: 1. To show to be just, right, or reasonable; vindicate. 2. To declare guiltless; absolve.

Paul wrote, "Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" Romans 5:1.

The reason that we have peace with God is because this is how God wants us to be saved. Faith not works or obedience is what justifies the ungodly and gives us peace with God. Not works, not obedience, not religion, faith and faith alone, gives us peace with God. Does God give us faith to believe? We are all born with the human attribute of faith. As children we have faith in our parents, this same faith is activated when we hear and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ and become born again.

Peter wrote, "Being born again, not of corruptible seed (Adam) but of incorruptible (Christ), by the word of God (the Gospel) which lives and abides forever" 1 Peter 1:23.

Jesus is the justifier, Jesus is the one that makes us right with God and justifies us. A justifier is one that acts on behalf of another. "To declare, I say, at this time HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS: that he might be just and the JUSTIFIER of him that believes in Jesus" Romans 3:26. Jesus as our substitute and representative, fulfills all of the demands of God's holy law. He does this in our name and on our behalf for our justification.

That was not enough, something must be done about our sins and the sins of the whole world. The resounding message of the New Testament is that Jesus is Lord. Jesus is Lord because he has victoriously defeated sin, death and the Devil, Colossians 2:15. Proof of this is that God accepted Jesus back into heaven and has made him both Lord and Christ, Acts 2:36. When God accepted Jesus back into heaven we were accepted in him, perfect and complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10.

The law has been fulfilled. Sin has been atoned for. Its over, its finished. Jesus has justified the ungodly by doing for them that which they cannot do for themselves, because they are sinners. Because of the doing and dying of Jesus we can now stand before God's holy court as justified.

God justifies by our believing Jesus blood cleans us of the sins we REPENT of doing.

 

[Robert Pate]

Which words are you referring to?

I posted God's Words!

Now please answer the questions I asked:


Nanja

Calvinism requires that you believe that God is unjust. You cannot and will not be saved if you believe that God is unjust. And then you do not believe that Jesus has atoned for all sin. You cannot and will not be saved if you believe these heretical things about God and his son Jesus Christ.

You are in opposition to God and his Son Jesus Christ.

 

[God's Truth]

Calvinism requires that you believe that God is unjust. You cannot and will not be saved if you believe that God is unjust. And then you do not believe that Jesus has atoned for all sin. You cannot and will not be saved if you believe these heretical things about God and his son Jesus Christ.

You are in opposition to God and his Son Jesus Christ.

You are WORSE than the Calvinists.

YOU say God condemns those who actually do what He says to get saved.

 

[Nanja]

Calvinism requires that you believe that God is unjust.

Where does he say that?

 

[Robert Pate]

Where does he say that?

Please don't play stupid.

Anyone that believes that God predestinates people to hell before they are born, also believes that God is unjust.

Everyone is born after Adam. We are all sinners without works, Romans 5:12. No one deserves to go to hell because they were born into sin. Your argument that God is just in sending sinners to hell is false, just like the rest of your religion.

 

[Robert Pate]

You are WORSE than the Calvinists.

YOU say God condemns those who actually do what He says to get saved.

The only thing that God wants you to do is to believe in his Son Jesus Christ.

 

[God's Truth]

The only thing that God wants you to do is to believe in his Son Jesus Christ.

You are wrong.

God wants you to believe that Jesus is the King and God and that you are to obey HIM.

YOU teach about an insane God when you say God condemns people to hell because they obeyed Him.

 

[Robert Pate]

You are wrong.

God wants you to believe that Jesus is the King and God and that you are to obey HIM.

YOU teach about an insane God when you say God condemns people to hell because they obeyed Him.

You are confused. Jesus is the savior, he is the one that provides salvation for everyone, Hebrews 2:9.

You are the sinner that needs to be saved. You seem to believe that you have something to do with your salvation. Your obedience, which Isaiah said are filthy rags.