Gunman executes 2 NYPD cops as ‘revenge’ for Garner

[rocketman]

Not at all.

Then show the relevance to this story, where were these "Oath Keepers" are even involved in the execution of these officers or in this story at all? Your comment was nothing more than a bunny trail to derail from what is being discussed in this thread and it is not the oath keepers for petes sake. :nono:

 

[IMJerusha]

...if I were a NYC police officer I would refuse to act if it was a person of color committing a crime.

Thanking God you're not. Both Officers killed were people of color. NYPD Officers don't discriminate. The enemy is crime, not color.

 

[IMJerusha]

Than show the relevance to this story, where were these "Oath Keepers" even involved in the execution of these officers or in this story at all? Your comment was nothing more than a bunny trail to derail from what is being discussed in this thread and it is not the oath keepers for petes sake. :nono:

I think folks, including Knight and Inzl have witnessed this up front in certain threads here regarding police militarization. It's not a "bunny trail" for the purpose of derailing unless you think the comment of the NYCPC is not applicable.

 

[rocketman]

Thanking God you're not. Both Officers killed were people of color. NYPD Officers don't discriminate. The enemy is crime, not color.

I perfectly aware of that...the commentary was given in sarcasm. Sorry you & 5020 didn't get that, maybe I need to make my sarcasm more evident. My bad...

 

[IMJerusha]

I perfectly aware of that...the commentary was given in sarcasm. Sorry you & 5020 didn't get that, maybe I need to make my sarcasm more evident. My bad...

I so glad you're perfectly aware of that!

 

[Mr. 5020]

If you become a target for upholding said law, & your leadership does not have your back when you do, what then? Does not the person that is throwing them under the bus (De Blasio) also have an oath to all the people? All would include his police force, no?

My response would be the same to any police officer that is saying that they won't protect everybody (and there are plenty): find another job.

Really though 5020, I was being rather sarcastic & rhetorical with my response. I think that the words & actions of liberal so-called leaders in all these cases has set the stage for all of the mayhem we see now.

I wasn't sure. I've seen a lot of police officers echo those same sentiments genuinely.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
The racist that you both voted for President has fueled this HATRED of police officers.

I wonder if a civil war will break out before he leaves his dictatorship?

In any event, there is without a doubt a war against law enforcement, also fueled by the left wing media per B. Hussein's instructions.

aCW and his, "It's always somebody else's fault," stance.

I wonder if he's ever taken ownership of a mistake. . .

I wish you'd get your facts straight on me, Karl.
I didn't support Obama in 2012...

Let me finish that for you GFR7:

...but helped elect Obama in 2008 and didn't do everythiing within reason to see that he wasn't re-elected in 2012."

Oh look what the former Mayor of NYC has to say:

Rudy Giuliani Accuses Obama, Black Leaders Of Stoking 'Anti-Police Hatred'

WASHINGTON -- Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) blamed this weekend's killing of two NYPD officers on anti-police "propaganda," for which he said President Barack Obama bears some responsibility.

"We've had four months of propaganda, starting with the president, that everybody should hate the police," said Giuliani during an appearance on "Fox News Sunday." "I don't care how you want to describe it -- that's what those protests are all about."

Giuliani cited the nationwide protests against institutional racism and police brutality that followed the deaths of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, and Eric Garner in New York, and that flared up anew after the respective grand jury decisions not to indict the officers responsible in either case. Giuliani said those demonstrations, and the ongoing criticism of police tactics and the criminal justice system, were part of what led to the shooting of two NYPD officers in Brooklyn on Saturday afternoon. Police say the alleged shooter, Ismaaiyl Brinsley, traveled to New York from Baltimore with the intention of killing police officers.

"The protest are being embraced, the protests are being encouraged. The protests, even the ones that don't lead to violence -- a lot of them lead to violence -- all of them lead to a conclusion: The police are bad, the police are racist," said Giuliani. "That is completely wrong. Actually, the people who do the most for the black community in America are the police."

The former mayor accused black commentators of creating "an atmosphere of severe, strong anti-police hatred in certain communities."

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...bama_n_6362724.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Don't be too hard on black liberals Rudy, because if it weren't for support by white liberal like the barbarian, the doper and Mz Provincetown, they would get nowhere.

 

[rocketman]

I think folks, including Knight and Inzl have witnessed this up front in certain threads here regarding police militarization. It's not a "bunny trail" for the purpose of derailing unless you think the comment of the NYCPC is not applicable.

I don't see the commentary of the NYCPC to be relevant to the oath keepers either, in fact this group really has nothing to do with this story at all from what I see. If you can show me the correlation I am listening.

BTW, I wasn't taking a shot at you, I just don't want this thread derailed on the oath keepers.

 

[shagster01]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
The racist that you both voted for President has fueled this HATRED of police officers.

I wonder if a civil war will break out before he leaves his dictatorship?

In any event, there is without a doubt a war against law enforcement, also fueled by the left wing media per B. Hussein's instructions.





Let me finish that for you GFR7:

...but helped elect Obama in 2008 and didn't do everythiing within reason to see that he wasn't re-elected in 2012."

Oh look what the former Mayor of NYC has to say:

Rudy Giuliani Accuses Obama, Black Leaders Of Stoking 'Anti-Police Hatred'

WASHINGTON -- Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) blamed this weekend's killing of two NYPD officers on anti-police "propaganda," for which he said President Barack Obama bears some responsibility.

"We've had four months of propaganda, starting with the president, that everybody should hate the police," said Giuliani during an appearance on "Fox News Sunday." "I don't care how you want to describe it -- that's what those protests are all about."

Giuliani cited the nationwide protests against institutional racism and police brutality that followed the deaths of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, and Eric Garner in New York, and that flared up anew after the respective grand jury decisions not to indict the officers responsible in either case. Giuliani said those demonstrations, and the ongoing criticism of police tactics and the criminal justice system, were part of what led to the shooting of two NYPD officers in Brooklyn on Saturday afternoon. Police say the alleged shooter, Ismaaiyl Brinsley, traveled to New York from Baltimore with the intention of killing police officers.

"The protest are being embraced, the protests are being encouraged. The protests, even the ones that don't lead to violence -- a lot of them lead to violence -- all of them lead to a conclusion: The police are bad, the police are racist," said Giuliani. "That is completely wrong. Actually, the people who do the most for the black community in America are the police."

The former mayor accused black commentators of creating "an atmosphere of severe, strong anti-police hatred in certain communities."

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...bama_n_6362724.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Don't be too hard on black liberals Rudy, because if it weren't for support by white liberal like the barbarian, the doper and Mz Provincetown, they would get nowhere.

So it's Obama's fault, not the gun man's?

You sure can pass the blame for everything.

 

[bybee]

I disagree. If you can't uphold your oath of protecting all people, you should find another profession.

This applies also to the President and Eric Holder....

 

[rocketman]

This applies also to the President and Eric Holder....

Not so it seems...

 

[The Barbarian]

The guys who are stirring the pot will blame the president (who condemned the murders of these police officers) the mayor (who expressed concern for his son's safety), and everyone else but themselves.

Connie already slipped and prematurely discussed his hopes for a civil war.

But of course, that's not promoting violence, in his view. He and the other pot-stirrers won't admit that violence produces more violence. The answer isn't getting tough with minorities; it's not in "fighting back" against the police. It's getting the police and minorities to accept that most of both sides are people of good will. And each side has to stop supporting the few bad ones among them.

That the family of the black man killed by police have condemned the murder of two innocent police officers in revenge, is a good start. Will we see a similar reaching out by decent police officers?

One can hope so. But many such officers have expressed fear that standing up for what's right, could make them targets themselves. From a nationwide poll of police officers:

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/181312.pdf

 

[IMJerusha]

I don't see the commentary of the NYCPC to be relevant to the oath keepers either, in fact this group really has nothing to do with this story at all from what I see. If you can show me the correlation I am listening.

Then you don't understand the posit of that group or the manner in which they have been functioning, although you had no problem in posting in threads put forth by two of their members here. Why do you want to be so obtuse? Al Sharpton has been mentioned as an instigator also but I don't see your objection to that.

BTW, I wasn't taking a shot at you,

I've been here long enough to recognize a shot across my bow when I see it. You're full of hooey and too much left coast!

I just don't want this thread derailed on the oath keepers.

Neither do I and I wasn't doing that but you know that.

 

[This Charming Manc]

you really are a grade a embarrassment aren't you?

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
The racist that you both voted for President has fueled this HATRED of police officers.

I wonder if a civil war will break out before he leaves his dictatorship?

In any event, there is without a doubt a war against law enforcement, also fueled by the left wing media per B. Hussein's instructions.





Let me finish that for you GFR7:

...but helped elect Obama in 2008 and didn't do everythiing within reason to see that he wasn't re-elected in 2012."

Oh look what the former Mayor of NYC has to say:

Rudy Giuliani Accuses Obama, Black Leaders Of Stoking 'Anti-Police Hatred'

WASHINGTON -- Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) blamed this weekend's killing of two NYPD officers on anti-police "propaganda," for which he said President Barack Obama bears some responsibility.

"We've had four months of propaganda, starting with the president, that everybody should hate the police," said Giuliani during an appearance on "Fox News Sunday." "I don't care how you want to describe it -- that's what those protests are all about."

Giuliani cited the nationwide protests against institutional racism and police brutality that followed the deaths of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, and Eric Garner in New York, and that flared up anew after the respective grand jury decisions not to indict the officers responsible in either case. Giuliani said those demonstrations, and the ongoing criticism of police tactics and the criminal justice system, were part of what led to the shooting of two NYPD officers in Brooklyn on Saturday afternoon. Police say the alleged shooter, Ismaaiyl Brinsley, traveled to New York from Baltimore with the intention of killing police officers.

"The protest are being embraced, the protests are being encouraged. The protests, even the ones that don't lead to violence -- a lot of them lead to violence -- all of them lead to a conclusion: The police are bad, the police are racist," said Giuliani. "That is completely wrong. Actually, the people who do the most for the black community in America are the police."

The former mayor accused black commentators of creating "an atmosphere of severe, strong anti-police hatred in certain communities."

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...bama_n_6362724.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Don't be too hard on black liberals Rudy, because if it weren't for support by white liberal like the barbarian, the doper and Mz Provincetown, they would get nowhere.

 

[aikido7]

We live in a world where the conservative, fundamentalist faiths such as Islam and Christianity advocate redemptive violence: "Violence Saves."

Younger kids need to be taught that there are an infinite array of responses to conflict besides giving in or fighting back.

All parents should instill respect, fairness and caring into their children today.
No more spanking, hitting or verbal abuse. These qualities are the legacy of patriarchy. There is a good reason why Jesus in the gospels made such savage attacks on the family values of his day--and did it very, very often.

 

[rocketman]

Then you don't understand the posit of that group or the manner in which they have been functioning, although you had no problem in posting in threads put forth by two of their members here. Why do you want to be so obtuse? Al Sharpton has been mentioned as an instigator also but I don't see your objection to that.

You don't seem to understand at all why I said your comment about the oath keepers was irrelevant do you? It has nothing...zip, zilch, nada to do with the execution of these two officers, that is not obtuse that is clarifying the obvious. I am truly sorry that you are so offended that I would call it irrelevant but, it is...my motive? because I didn't want to see this thread get derailed into another oath keeper mess. Guess I failed at that because here we are...I am done with it.

I've been here long enough to recognize a shot across my bow when I see it. You're full of hooey and too much left coast!

Well then, you just are the little mind reader now aren't you? You don't know me at all lady, and if you did you would know if I was taking the shot at you because I will make it very clear for you. If I said it wasn't a shot than that is what I meant. I wasn't putting words in your mouth, please give me the same courtesy.

Neither do I and I wasn't doing that but you know that.

I don't know where you were going with that but, you should know that being you are a mind reader and all.

 

[aikido7]

If ANYONE saw the shooting of young people like most of us saw the attacks on this nation in 2001, then the response should not be misunderstood.

Revenge. Cruelty. Torture. It's a human thing, but if you cannot be accountable for your own revenge, cruel and torture fantasies within yourself, I would not be surprised at the attack on the police.

 

[aikido7]

How (and more particularly, Why?) have conservatives been successful in preaching to their base that it is the Democrats' fault instead of the shooters who are responsible for the deaths?

Can anyone here give a valid criticism of the police without being accused of throwing the cops under the bus?

It is difficult to imagine a Democrat tossing the living body of an American policeman underneath a speeding city bus.

What are the conservatives really trying to say here?

 

[IMJerusha]

You don't seem to understand at all why I said your comment about the oath keepers was irrelevant do you? It has nothing...zip, zilch, nada to do with the execution of these two officers, that is not obtuse that is clarifying the obvious. I am truly sorry that you are so offended that I would call it irrelevant but, it is...my motive? because I didn't want to see this thread get derailed into another oath keeper mess. Guess I failed at that because here we are...I am done with it.
Well then, you just are the little mind reader now aren't you? You don't know me at all lady, and if you did you would know if I was taking the shot at you because I will make it very clear for you. If I said it wasn't a shot than that is what I meant. I wasn't putting words in your mouth, please give me the same courtesy.
I don't know where you were going with that but, you should know that being you are a mind reader and all.

Are you sure you're done? I just want to give you the chance to be very clear.

 

[IMJerusha]

So...civil rights leaders are busting to make the protests against Brown and Garner's deaths appear peaceful. What a hoot! No matter how one wants to paint Ferguson, peaceful can't even come close.

http://news.yahoo.com/killings-2-york-officers-trigger-backlash-201106309.html

Sharpton thinks it's absurd to blame their behavior. Stir up a hornets nest against Police, stand before a crowd of people calling for Police deaths and think somehow that behavior can't possibly be to blame. What did he expect? Clearly the man doesn't know the meaning of the word peaceful. And he wants to know why inroads haven't been made? Ridiculous! Honestly, at this point I think Martin Luther King would look at the man and call him an idiot.