Gunman executes 2 NYPD cops as ‘revenge’ for Garner

[PureX]

To me, blaming it all on the other guy is not only what keeps us from repairing problems, but ultimately why the problems just continue to get worse.

Absolutely. But it relieves the us of any personal responsibility, and that's all that matters to a lot of people.

 

[The Barbarian]

Blaming it all on liberals just seems pointless to me.

It's defensive. If all problems can be blamed on "bad people", then we don't have to do anything but get rid of the "bad people."

The same idea that fool accepted when he murdered two police officers. And round and round we go.

Jesus offered a way out of that cycle of violence, but few people who profess to follow Him actually believe it.

 

[republicanchick]

Violence begets violence as long as violence is treated as and believed to be a legitimate option for conflict resolution.

Which is a belief as deeply ingrained in this country's culture as anything we quote from the Constitution or Declaration of Independence.

oh, so just b/c in the human-nature realm violence begets violence, those cops deserved it?

that's what you seem to imply

typical liberal stupidity

how about whaT GOD (remember Him?) said

Vengeange is mine, saith the Lord

Turn the other cheek

But then, there are so many antiChrists in the world, just as Jesus also said

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[zoo22]

Violence begets violence as long as violence is treated as and believed to be a legitimate option for conflict resolution.

Which is a belief as deeply ingrained in this country's culture as anything we quote from the Constitution or Declaration of Independence.

oh, so just b/c in the human-nature realm violence begets violence, those cops deserved it?

that's what you seem to imply

typical liberal stupidity

how about whaT GOD (remember Him?) said

Vengeange is mine, saith the Lord

Turn the other cheek

But then, there are so many antiChrists in the world, just as Jesus also said

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Are you getting enough oxygen?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

It's defensive. If all problems can be blamed on "bad people", then we don't have to do anything but get rid of the "bad people."

Gee barbarian, who should we blame "the problems" like murdering two police officers in cold blood on...

"good people"?

If bad people choose to remain bad, wouldn't you agree that a society has two options to deal with their evil (or as the college educated white liberal put it...their "bad") :

1). Encourage people to be good.
2). For those that refuse to be good, get rid of them, as they'll be responsible for anarchy in the streets.

 

[bybee]

Absolutely. But it relieves the us of any personal responsibility, and that's all that matters to a lot of people.

Indeed! That is exactly where blaming "The Rich" as all bad guys gets us too!!!
Personal responsibility means that one is accountable for one's words and one's deeds. Rich or poor responsibility is personal.
The blame game is a smoke screen behind which abomination lurks.

 

[bybee]

Of course it does. When people can't get what they want and need by acceptable economic methods, they turn to unacceptable economic methods. That's been true since the dawn of time. And we call those unacceptable economic methods, "crime".
Greed increases when the fear of being or becoming poor increases. And when being poor becomes an unbearable prospect. And as greed increases, so does crime.

So both poverty and greed generate criminality. The difference is that poor criminals generally turn to petty and violent crime, and end up in the cemetery or the prison. While rich criminals turn to sophisticated and 'legalized' crimes that they can buy their way out of if caught, or get away with all together.

Poor criminals get punished. Rich criminals get rewarded.

Poor criminals cost society millions. Rich criminals cost society billions.

Poor criminals tent to kill each other. Rich criminals have other people kill and die for them; while they collect the profits.
Well, we can certainly agree on that.

Where we disagree, usually, is on which is the greater criminal, and on which type of criminal does the greater harm.

Where we disagree, my friend, is that for you "degree" is the most cogent criteria for defining definition and rationale for crime.
Crime is crime!
Do you remember "The widow's mite"? One always has a responsibility to the community to do one's best.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I am not a liberal and I made no excuses for anyone. I said things are worse now than they were in the 90s and it's pretty sad both black and white people have let progress implode under the adminstration of a man who once was a symbol of racism disappearing.

Are you saying that liberal programs that give preferential treatment to racial minorities is "progress"? That's the reason many black people are angry: They haven't been held up to the same standard as others and they've grown accustomed to preferential treatment by white liberals such as you and the barbarian.

He hasn't done anything to make it better, but rather worse. I'm not going to defend anyone's bad behavior, regardless of their "color" as you put it. A vocal group of blacks are still sore over slavery and are lead by con artists like Sharpton.

Still angry over slavery? LOL...these hooligans weren't around during that time, they're using it as an excuse.

They don't seek equality but rather special treatment. They're no better than people like you, although I suspect they have better reading comprehension.

What kind of "special treatment" have I received or even asked for?

(If Quincy wants to talk about "special treatment", I could talk about the special treatment that his LGBTQ movement receives, but then I don't think Quincy wants to touch that subject).

 

[PureX]

Indeed! That is exactly where blaming "The Rich" as all bad guys gets us too!!!

If you were to actually read any of my posts without your blinding bias against poor people, you would see that I don't "blame the rich". I blame poverty, and greed, and the amoral behavior of business, political, and media institutions. I blame the willful ignorance of many of my fellow citizens. And the lack of courage of those who see the reality of the situation, but throw up their hands in hopeless despair.

That last group is the one I'm in. So if you insist on accusing the accuser, though I see no profit in doing that, then at least get the accusation right.

Personal responsibility means that one is accountable for one's words and one's deeds. Rich or poor responsibility is personal.

And yet the damage is not 'personal'. The damage is collective, and effects everyone. So that the whole "personal responsibility" thing just doesn't do much in terms of creating actual resolutions to actual problems.

The blame game is a smoke screen behind which abomination lurks.

That depends. We have to know who is responsible for what damage before we can hope to find solutions for it. Because those people are not going to face their crimes and resolve them on their own. And all the Bibles in Christendom isn't going to change that. We have to do it collectively, via social laws, and systems, that check our own anti-social proclivities and stop criminal behavior.

 

[Stripe]

Blaming it all on liberals just seems pointless to me.

That is because you are one and will mindlessly protect your bankrupt worldview.

It's all of our problem

It sure is. And it was created by the liberal agenda. When you argue that the the police have a culture that is to be overturned, you are a rebel against authority and encourage more rebellion.

When the police kill a man, the default position should be that it was justified. However, the liberal agenda is to cast aspersions on everything they do -- from accusing them of institutional racism because of isolated incidents or accusing them of fascism when they are deployed on crowd control.

People need to be taught that we have authorities for a reason and that the people are not the authors of the law.

Blaming it all on the other guy is not only what keeps us from repairing problems, but ultimately why the problems just continue to get worse.

It is you who is the problem. Get on the right side of the debate.

 

[bybee]

If you were to actually read any of my posts without your blinding bias against poor people, you would see that I don't "blame the rich". I blame poverty, and greed, and the amoral behavior of business, political, and media institutions. I blame the willful ignorance of many of my fellow citizens. And the lack of courage of those who see the reality of the situation, but throw up their hands in hopeless despair.

That last group is the one I'm in. So if you insist on accusing the accuser, though I see no profit in doing that, then at least get the accusation right.

I don't insist on much of anything.
I have no bias against the poor. I have been in grinding poverty. No one ever for one minute allowed me to think that my situation was someone else's responsibility.
When our first child was born on January 11, 1958 we believed that if we couldn't pay our hospital bill they wouldn't let us take our baby home with us. Of course that wasn't the case, HOWEVER! between puking my brains out during the pregnancy I cleaned houses so that we could save money toward the bill.
Yes, my husband had a job and health insurance Thanks Be To God!". There was no welfare. My parents were not of a mind to help us and his parents were also not the generous type.
Sometimes, I had $11.00 dollars to buy food for the week to feed three adults. My sister lived with us at the time.
I did it! We did it! And yes, we had help along the way.

 

[republicanchick]

Is it any wonder these happen when the Mayor says crap like this last week?

“I’ve had to worry over the years, Chirlane has had to worry: Is Dante safe each night?” de Blasio said Wednesday. “And not just from some of the painful realities of crime and violence in some of our neighborhoods but safe from the very people they want to have faith in as their protectors.” - Bill DeBlasio

In my opinion.... this is a direct incitement to fear and to take violent action against the Police.

Holder and Obama have blood on their hands as well. All of these a-holes have done nothing but make the situation worse.

I agree

no wonder DeBlasio wouldn't answer that one question, got seemignly irritated at it. He knows he had some responsibility. He knows there are plenty of crazy loose canons out there.

And then there are the protesters chanting about wanting dead cops

They have blood on their hands as well

 

[republicanchick]

I don't insist on much of anything.
I have no bias against the poor. I have been in grinding poverty. No one ever for one minute allowed me to think that my situation was someone else's responsibility.
When our first child was born on January 11, 1958 we believed that if we couldn't pay our hospital bill they wouldn't let us take our baby home with us. Of course that wasn't the case, HOWEVER! between puking my brains out during the pregnancy I cleaned houses so that we could save money toward the bill.
Yes, my husband had a job and health insurance Thanks Be To God!". There was no welfare. My parents were not of a mind to help us and his parents were also not the generous type.
Sometimes, I had $11.00 dollars to buy food for the week to feed three adults. My sister lived with us at the time.
I did it! We did it! And yes, we had help along the way.

as hard as things can get w/o gov help, we all need to hear these kinds of stories and learn something from them. We cannot grow the gov into the huge monstrosity it is (and getting bigger) and expect to maintain our freedoms. It d oesn't work like that. As the saying goes Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold makes the rules

It is time for america to pull itself up, as it were, by its bootstraps, not one of my favorite axioms, but you get my drift. I think every gov program should be cut, and every person working for the gov should have his pay cut, and everyone receiving $$ from the gov, ditto. it would seem that is what it will take to get things back to normal. And then, these hand out programs should be phased out, so it is very, very hard to get anything from the gov.

yes, it will hurt, but No pain No gain


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[rocketman]

That is because you are one and will mindlessly protect your bankrupt worldview.

It sure is. And it was created by the liberal agenda. When you argue that the the police have a culture that is to be overturned, you are a rebel against authority and encourage more rebellion.

When the police kill a man, the default position should be that it was justified. However, the liberal agenda is to cast aspersions on everything they do -- from accusing them of institutional racism because of isolated incidents or accusing them of fascism when they are deployed on crowd control.

People need to be taught that we have authorities for a reason and that the people are not the authors of the law.

It is you who is the problem. Get on the right side of the debate.

Well said...:thumb:

 

[resodko]

after weeks (months?) of hearing the cbc report on Eric Garner and Michael Brown as "unarmed black men", it was refreshing yesterday to hear them reporting this story using the words "Eric Garner and Michael Brown, two black men involved in confrontations with police"

a few more attacks like brinsley's and the cbc might even get around to reporting that brown and garner were resisting arrest and struggling with officers before their deaths

 

[aCultureWarrior]

after weeks (months?) of hearing the cbc report on Eric Garner and Michael Brown as "unarmed black men", it was refreshing yesterday to hear them reporting this story using the words "Eric Garner and Michael Brown, two black men involved in confrontations with police"

a few more attacks like brinsley's and the cbc might even get around to reporting that brown and garner were resisting arrest and struggling with officers before their deaths

I read an article from a liberal website somewhat recently where it reported that St. Michael Brown was shot in the back. The article was written long after the autopsy report came back showing otherwise.

Liberals, lying is their profession.

 

[Zeke]

Indeed! That is exactly where blaming "The Rich" as all bad guys gets us too!!!
Personal responsibility means that one is accountable for one's words and one's deeds. Rich or poor responsibility is personal.
The blame game is a smoke screen behind which abomination lurks.

Only works if the same scale is used for all, the problem with any pyramid scheme (monotheist) is those at the upper levels get to make the rules for the lower ones, and decide which ones they have to apply to them selves. The smoke screen is the machine of chaos that blinds the lower level who have been trained to be double minded, which is triggered by emotion and defeated by it.

Both left and right share in the guilt of thinking those who run this fantasy land have your best interest at heart, history shows the Kings and Priest craft have used agents or policy enforcers, to legally murder more people than anything else on this plan-net.

Just following orders is still no excuse, nor ignorance of the legal trap all are hoodwinked by having and using a registered name, the chaos is manufactured and maintained for obvious reasons that many agree exist but mysteriously trust the one who caused it to fix it, merry go round back to the same spot.

Knights and pawns trained to be sacrificed for the kings and queens in the passing garb-age.

 

[bybee]

Only works if the same scale is used for all, the problem with any pyramid scheme (monotheist) is those at the upper levels get to make the rules for the lower ones, and decide which ones they have to apply to them selves. The smoke screen is the machine of chaos that blinds the lower level who have been trained to be double minded, which is triggered by emotion and defeated by it.

Both left and right share in the guilt of thinking those who run this fantasy land have your best interest at heart, history shows the Kings and Priest craft have used agents or policy enforcers, to legally murder more people than anything else on this plan-net.

Just following orders is still no excuse, nor ignorance of the legal trap all are hoodwinked by having and using a registered name, the chaos is manufactured and maintained for obvious reasons that many agree exist but mysteriously trust the one who caused it to fix it, merry go round back the same spot.

Knights and pawns trained to be sacrificed for the kings and queens in the passing garb-age.

I breath! I think! I observe! Life is not perfect. But Carpe Diem so long as I do draw breath!

 

[Stripe]

Liberals hate authority and they will demand that their rules on it be followed.

 

[The Barbarian]

Stipe reveals his true master:

Liberals hate authority and they will demand that their rules on it be followed.

Because Stipe has abandoned God to worship government, he is offended when people show that government is corrupt.