I see the truth is hard for you to take.
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ClimateSanity
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Are you trying to understand any of it. Instead of brushing the whole thing of , just quote a portion of it and respond. Say what you understand and what you don't understand.
ClimateSanity
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It is of the flesh to attempt to obey God in your own strength.
musterion
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You cannot find one command from God, in all the Bible, that to obey it today (or try to) would not be wrong?
God's Truth
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You spoke too soon. Just read my next post to him.
Now how about you read and respond to what I post about God's Truth, instead of giving your opinion of what you personally think of me.
God's Truth
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That is saying it is a sin to obey God; common sense escapes you.
It is TO those who obey by FEARING GOD and doing right that the gospel has been given. It is to those that God ACCEPTS.
Acts 13:26 "Fellow children of Abraham and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent.
Acts 10:35 but that in every nation those who fear Him and live good lives are acceptable to Him.
God's Truth
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There is a NEW covenant, with new guidelines and laws.
The new covenant promise is stated in Jeremiah 31:31 and following verses.
Those promises have not come to pass yet.
ClimateSanity
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Try posting some of God's truth and I will respond. I don't respond to demonic interpretation.
ClimateSanity
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It's never a sin to obey God but any attempt in the flesh will fail everytime. The sin comes with thinking you have the ability within your own heart of flesh to obey God. It can only be done in the spirit.
I appreciate your concern; I really do.
But you would that one end up attempting to serve God through the Law's "thou shalt not covet" that Paul mentions in Romans 7, but that you confuse with your "ceremonial works" notions as "what Paul is talking about."
"Thou shalt not covet" is not a ceremony" - it is an "ordinance..." that "WAS against us" in that "the Law" was "weak through the flesh."
It is this very command that God in His Son through His Spirit in Paul sent Paul, THIS SIDE OF Rom. 3:21 "to declare at THIS TIME" to "destroy."
The old system that was "Thou shalt not covet...
Galatians 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
No Greek needed by the way, those of you books based Greek "experts" out there.
To "destroy" here is in the sense of proving a thing "of what sort it is" 1 Cor. 3:13.
And God, in His Son by His Spirit through His Word to and through Paul is now declaring that NOW, to preach obedience in one's own strength, as had been right under the Law, is to "make myself a transgressor" of the Grace of God in His Son.
The Law is God's "good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God" under the Law.
"BUT NOW" the system is "the rigteousness OF GOD - WITHOUT the Law" Rom. 3:21.
I know, I know, out pops your notions of "well that is talking about ceremonial works of the Law."
Problem is, GT, "Thou shalt not covet" is not a ceremonial work.
Problem is, that though you might mean well, you would that I subscribe to this other gospel of yours - your mix of Law and Grace in your confusion due to your simple unwillingness to study this issue out anew.
The best to you in this.
Yeppers.
Jesus refutes you.
John 6:28 Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”
Also:
Matthew 11:29-30
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
God's Truth
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Oh yes the promises have already came.
Do you really think there is a better promise than Jesus Christ and the receiving of the Holy Spirit?
God's Truth
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How is preaching obedience to Christ demonic?
Nope.
But I didn't expect you to notice what the promises made in the new covenant really are.
It just won't fit into your man-made theology.
ClimateSanity
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That's not what you preach.
You preach obedience to Christ in your own strength and as a necessary condition for salvation.
God's Truth
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That is ignorant.
Show one scripture that say we cannot obey God, and a scripture that says God makes us obey.
So a flesh heart is bad?
Ezekiel 11:19 I will give them an undivided heart and put a new spirit in them; I will remove from them their heart of stone and give them a heart of flesh.
Ezekiel 36:26 I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
You will not even be given the Holy Spirit unless you obey.
Acts 5:32 We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him."
God's Truth
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I preach to obey God's powerful Word.
You go against me for that.
You say we are saved by not obeying.
Who would say such a thing?
musterion
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That's not what I asked you.
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There are many commands in the Bible from God. Is trying to obey ALL of them wrong, or right?