ECT Get Off The Fence!
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Nang
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The death of Jesus Christ on the cross purchased once and for all, everlasting life for His people. He became their spiritual Surety and Guarantee of everlasting life.
You are reducing the efficacy of Christ's work of redemption, to be just a "possibility" or "opportunity" for sinners to be saved, which is still contingent upon their actions (works, versus His divine works of grace).
Reformers teach the righteous works of Jesus Christ were sinless, perfect, and complete . . . 100% efficacious to save His people from their sins.
Matthew 11:27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
Matthew 20:23 He said to them, “You will drink my cup, but to sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.”
Matthew 25:34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 15:13 He answered, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up."
Mark 8:38 "For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of Man also be ashamed when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”
Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple."
Luke 22:42 “Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”
Matthew 20:28 "even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
Matthew 20:23 He said to them, “You will drink my cup, but to sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.”
Matthew 25:34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 15:13 He answered, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up."
Mark 8:38 "For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of Man also be ashamed when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”
Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple."
Luke 22:42 “Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”
Matthew 20:28 "even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
Doom
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It is 100% efficacious for those who hear and believe the gospel. That's why men preach it. :duh:
We are never going to agree as long as you continue to spread the false gospel that Jesus only died for some men and some sin.
Nang
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That is conditional grace, which I believe is false teaching.
How can Godly grace be saving grace, if it is contingent upon human actions or works?
Why are you ashamed of God's Word? I teach using scripture.
Is scripture alone not worthy of your consideration? You reject God's word?
I bolded all the important parts that you need to pay attention to. It prove that ALL doesn't mean everyone ever living, but the elect.
You want some exegesis?
Matthew 20:28 "even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
to give his life as a ransom for many.
All the elect is many.
Is scripture alone not worthy of your consideration? You reject God's word?
I bolded all the important parts that you need to pay attention to. It prove that ALL doesn't mean everyone ever living, but the elect.
You want some exegesis?
Matthew 20:28 "even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
to give his life as a ransom for many.
All the elect is many.
Nang
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Not me! I love all presentation of Scripture, that comes without private interpretation and personal commentary!
Sola Scriptura!
Doom
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Abraham believed God, after God told him about the promise.
You make things up to fit into your box, but they are not Biblical.
I've grown weary of your stupidity and anti-Christ message. You're still a pig wallowing in deception, and deceiving others.
Doom
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We're not, it's just that you're an idiot.
You are not teaching abything, you are just doing word searches and then cutting and pasting the results. You are waste of time and a troll.
It is when it is used in context and in relation to a conversation.
Go straight to hell, and take your pig with you.
LoL, for you yes. However, I forgot it doesn't have meaning to those who are perishing. Whoops.
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Most choose to reject his offer of reconciliation.
heir
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You fail to rightly divide the word of truth. At some point the man Christ Jesus gave Himself a ransom for all to be testified in due time! Paul was that due time testifier!
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
1 Timothy 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not
a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
heir
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You're "being saved"? That's too bad. Those who have trusted the Lord believing the gospel of Christ are saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV).
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Letter writer included himself using the us. Who are the us? All the elect, who are being saved. The us include saints who are already saved and saints who will be saved.
Letter writer included himself using the us. Who are the us? All the elect, who are being saved. The us include saints who are already saved and saints who will be saved.
heir
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This is what it says.
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Paul clearly preached and believed (as do I) that we "are saved" (1 Corinthians 15:2 KJV, 2 Corinthians 2:15 KJV, Ephesians 2:5 KJV, Ephesians 2:8 KJV)
by the gospel of Christ (the preaching of the cross 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) which is "the power of God" unto salvation to every one that believeth (Romans 1:16-17 KJV although no longer to the Jew first and also to the Greek, but all men Titus 2:11 KJV, 1 Timothy 2:4-6 KJV).
It's God will that all men be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. The man Christ Jesus gave Himself a ransom for all to be testified in due time (1 Timothy 2:4-6 KJV). To not recognize this is a failure or flat out refusal to 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV and is an attempt to diminish what God accomplished when God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them (2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV).
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Did you notice "being saved" as a process? cf John 17:3 which is the result of the process.
Nang
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Me too.
We were justified once and for all by Christ on His cross, but our sanctification and conversion to His image is ongoing until the final day when He returns. Hebrews 9:28
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I don't believe my pointing out the "process" violates anything you have understood from the context, do you?
Likewise, thank you .
Nang
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You are a lovely and loving lady. You have my prayers too. Enjoy a blessed day!