Foundation.

[God's Truth]

Yes it is.

Here it is again for you, GT.

Romans 5:18-19 KJV
(18) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
(19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.


How do you get that it is not by the righteousness and obedience of one, when that is exactly what scripture says?????

Oh, I forgot, you don't believe scripture and always want to add your own righteousness and obedience in there.

Well, at least it there for others to see your glaring error.

That one still ain't you, GT.

What do these scriptures mean? Are you commands to Jesus for him or for us?

Colossians 3:23 Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters, 24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving. 25 Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for their wrongs, and there is no favoritism.

Romans 2:5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart,you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” 7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.

 

[Tambora]

I will give you an example.

It is sin to tell people they cannot believe in God after being taught.

It is sin to tell others that they cannot repent of their sins.

Why can you not answer him with a yes or no, GT?????
Why are you avoiding answering with a yes or no??????
Hmmmmm.

 

[God's Truth]

Why can you not answer him with a yes or no, GT?????
Why are you avoiding answering with a yes or no??????
Hmmmmm.

My personal life is none of your business.

 

[Tambora]

Yes it is.

Here it is again for you, GT.

Romans 5:18-19 KJV
(18) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
(19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.


How do you get that it is not by the righteousness and obedience of one, when that is exactly what scripture says?????

Oh, I forgot, you don't believe scripture and always want to add your own righteousness and obedience in there.

Well, at least it there for others to see your glaring error.

That one still ain't you, GT.

What do these scriptures mean?

They mean that it is only by the righteousness and obedience of one, GT, not two.
Can't you read?
ONE, not two.
Guess who that one is, GT.
HINT: It ain't you.

 

[Tambora]

My personal life is none of your business.

How do ever get that those questions are about your personal business?
Just stop avoiding and give an honest yes or no.

 

[Tambora]

If you keep sinning, then God will remember, so you will have to repent of your sins even after a person is saved. The saved work out their salvation, they train themselves.

You believe in debt, not grace, GT.

 

[Tambora]

As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us*.

GT doesn't like those scriptures. They leave her works out of the equation.

 

[God's Truth]

You believe in debt, not grace, GT.

I believe in eating the bread from heaven every day.

 

[Tambora]

I believing in eating the bread from heaven every day.

I'm trying to help you believe scripture, GT.
Why would you oppose that?

 

[God's Truth]

I'm trying to help you believe scripture, GT.
Why would you oppose that?

You go against what is plainly written.

 

[Tambora]

You go against what is plainly written.

Your denial of what you are doing is no defense.

 

[glorydaz]

That is not what scripture says. Paul warns you to obey:

8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) 10 and find out what pleases the Lord. 11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 It is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret. 13 But everything exposed by the light becomes visible—and everything that is illuminated becomes a light. 14 This is why it is said:

“Wake up, sleeper,
rise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you.”
15 Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. 17 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is. 18 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit, 19 speaking to one another with psalms, hymns, and

Paul is warning people to obey the Gospel and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. That is the only way we can become children of the light.

You are one of those who don't understand the words of Paul, so you twist them to mean what they do not. Paul is describing the difference between the children of disobedience (of the night) and those who have obeyed the Gospel (children of the light). Believers hare fully equiped with the whole armour of God and you haven't a clue of what that means. Do you?

Paul quotes from Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

When we cast off the unfruitful works of darkness, we put on the Lord Jesus Christ. That refers to a state of being....where we are created IN CHRIST as new creatures. You try to claim Paul is preaching we are to do what can only be accomplished by our being crucified with Christ...by the Holy Spirit. There is no provision for the flesh when we are no longer in the flesh.

Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.​

 

[God's Truth]

Paul is warning people to obey the Gospel and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. That is the only way we can become children of the light.

You are one of those who don't understand the words of Paul, so you twist them to mean what they do not. Paul is describing the difference between the children of disobedience (of the night) and those who have obeyed the Gospel (children of the light). Believers hare fully equiped with the whole armour of God and you haven't a clue of what that means. Do you?

Paul quotes from Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

When we cast off the unfruitful works of darkness, we put on the Lord Jesus Christ. That refers to a state of being....where we are created IN CHRIST as new creatures. You try to claim Paul is preaching we are to do what can only be accomplished by our being crucified with Christ...by the Holy Spirit. There is no provision for the flesh when we are no longer in the flesh.

Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.​

Paul plainly says to the saved that they had better not live sinning.

 

[glorydaz]

If you keep sinning, then God will remember, so you will have to repent of your sins even after a person is saved. The saved work out their salvation, they train themselves.

Thar she blows again!


Paul isn't talking about sin. He isn't even speaking to individuals. He is speaking of church unity. In fact, he makes it clear we are God's workmanship.

Phil. 2:2-4 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.​

Paul has already made it clear who is doing the work in us.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:​

 

[Tambora]

Paul plainly says to the saved that they had better not live sinning.

Paul says what the risen Lord God and Saviour Jesus Christ told him.

Colossians 2:13 KJV
(13) And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

 

[glorydaz]

Paul plainly says to the saved that they had better not live sinning.

Then why does he tell us Jesus is the end of the law for righteousness for those who believe? Why does he tell us we have been delivered from the law....we are not under the law, but under grace?

Paul wouldn't say what you claim because he knows those who are saved are dead to sin.

Just because you don't believe what Paul has taught doesn't mean you can twist his words to say what would be an obvious contradiction.

 

[Tambora]

I believe in eating the bread from heaven every day.

You say that because you do not have understanding.

Believe GOD's truth, GT. By the righteousness and obedience of one.

 

[God's Truth]

If you keep sinning, then God will remember, so you will have to repent of your sins even after a person is saved. The saved work out their salvation, they train themselves.

Thar she blows again!

Paul isn't talking about sin. He isn't even speaking to individuals. He is speaking of church unity. In fact, he makes it clear we are God's workmanship.

We have to work out our salvation with trembling and fear.

We have to train ourselves.

Luke 6:40 A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher.

1 Corinthians 9:25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.

1 Timothy 4:7, 8 Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives’ tales; rather, train yourself to be godly. For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Titus 2:4 Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children,

Hebrews 5:14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

Hebrews 12:11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

 

[God's Truth]

You say that because you do not have understanding.

Believe GOD's truth, GT. By the righteousness and obedience of one.

Jesus obeyed so that we have someone to obey.

 

[God's Truth]

Then why does he tell us Jesus is the end of the law for righteousness for those who believe?

Because the Jews had the old ceremonial/purification works to make themselves righteous for over 1,600 years, and now we only have to believe Jesus' blood makes us clean and righteous.

Why does he tell us we have been delivered from the law....we are not under the law, but under grace?

Delivered from the old the only law there was, and now given the new law. The saved are under the new law, just as Paul says.

1 Corinthians 9:21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law.

Paul wouldn't say what you claim because he knows those who are saved are dead to sin.

Paul clearly tells us not to sin and he even says God does not play favoritism, so that means you can't live sinning and then say, "But God, I am a believer".

Just because you don't believe what Paul has taught doesn't mean you can twist his words to say what would be an obvious contradiction.

I would not ever do that. I will post the words from Paul again and you can explain them per each line. Would you do that?