Do you have to believe in the Trinity to be a Christian?
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glorydaz
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It cracks me up that you don't recognize the Godhead's greatness. He's more than you think....including the ONLY SAVIOUR.
Jesus is also called His "holy arm" and the "Word of God"...who happened to create all things and was God from the beginning. John 1:1-3
1 Corinthians 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
glorydaz
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Oh, I'm not like you. I recognize the humanity as well as the deity of our Lord and Saviour.
1 Corinthians 16
22If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be accursed. O Lord, come!
genuineoriginal
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I do not deny the deity of Christ.
genuineoriginal
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No, you are not like me.
I do too, but that has nothing to do with the verses I posted.
genuineoriginal
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Are you claiming that this verse applies to you?
Yes, your posting of that particular verse was a stupid thing to do.
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Oh that's how you do it....you get everyone else to answer for you, including God? Hate to break it to you GO, but I already know God and His written word really well, which is why most people like you don't answer me. They're afraid to get schooled.
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BTW, do you have the infilling of the Holy Spirit? Doesn't sound like it.
Dan Emanuel
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If you believe in the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ in any way, your Trinitarian.1
Might as well accept it.
Daniel
1 --The only logical solution to Jesus being our Creator in the flesh is the Trinity.
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Haha, I recognize what the SCRIPTURE actually says about the Great Head over all, and that is what Paul writes, and that is that the head of every man is Messiah, and the head of Messiah is GOD, (1 Corinthians 11:3) which you apparently need to ignore to believe what you believe. It cracks me up that you and your friends cannot tell the difference between a head and an arm when it comes to body parts of "persons". It is almost as if you deny an arm so that you can rather make up three equal heads for three equal "persons". :crackup:
As for what you quoted from Scripture I have already agreed with those things herein and elsewhere but they apparently do not mean to me what they mean to you, (regarding Wisdom there is neither male nor female in Messiah: The Words of Agur the Gatherer).
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achduke
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Exodus 3:2 And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush burned with fire, but the bush was not consumed.
Exodus 3:4 So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, "Moses, Moses!" And he said, "Here I am."
Was Moses hearing God or the angel of the Lord? Is the angel of the Lord God?
Exodus 23:20 "Behold, I send an Angel before you to keep you in the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared.
Exodus 23:21 "Beware of Him and obey His voice; do not provoke Him, for He will not pardon your transgressions; for My name is in Him.
Acts 7:38 "This is he who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the Angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers, the one who received the living oracles to give to us,
Christ is with the angel in the wilderness. Is Christ the angel? No one has ever seen God except the Son yet in all These cases an angel is around.
If I write a letter and send it to someone that knows my voice and a messenger hands them the letter. When they read the letter they may hear my voice in their head because in their head they already know my voice. Does that mean I am the letter or am I the messenger?
glorydaz
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Okay, I get it. You're a nut case. :banned:
glorydaz
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Rest assured....you aren't the letter. CleverDan
achduke
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Exactly. I am not the messenger either yet the messenger carries my voice(letter). The letter is a type of media. It only carried my words.
John 14:10 " Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 16:13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
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Your type will always end up saying such evil things about those who quote Scripture without references because you do not truly know the Scripture; and when you actually hear it spoken, or read it somewhere written outside of your own paradigm mindset study routine, it sounds foreign and mysterious to your ears, eyes, heart, and mind, and you react by calling the speaker or the writer such things as a nut case. Too bad you do not realize that calling another such things as a nut case, (which is essentially the same as calling someone a fool) reveals that you are defiled.
The words of Agur, (the Gatherer) son of Yaqeh, (the obedient) the burden: Thus says the Geber, for 'Iythiy'el, (for God has arrived) for God has arrived and devoured: Surely I am lower than an 'iysh and the understanding of an 'adam have I not: neither was I taught wisdom, but the knowledge of the holy ones I know. Who ascends the shamayim and descends? Who has gathered the ruach in his fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name? and what is the name of His Son if you can tell? Every 'imrat-memra of God is refined: He is a magen to them that put their trust in him, [Proverbs 30:1-5] (and no one has ascended into the shamayim but he that from the shamayim descended in the somatikos-bodily form of a pneumatikos dove: the Son of the Anthropou [Luke 3:22 with John 3:13]). Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength. By me kings reign and princes decree justice. By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth. I love them that love me and those that seek me early shall find me. Riches and honor are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness. My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver. I lead in the way of righteousness in the midst of the paths of judgment: that I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures. YHWH possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old: I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills I was brought forth: while as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there, and when he set a compass upon the face of the depth, when he established the clouds above, when he strengthened the fountains of the deep, when he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment, when he appointed the foundations of the earth: then was I by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him, rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth, and my delights were with the sons of men. Now therefore hearken unto me, O you sons: for blessed are they that keep my ways. Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not. Blessed is the man that hears me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors. For whosoever finds me finds life and shall obtain favour of YHWH. But he that sins against me wrongs his own soul: all they that hate me love death [Proverbs 8:14-36].
In the beginning was the Memra, [Logos] and the Memra was with the Elohim, and the Memra was Elohim: the same was in the beginning with the Elohim. All things through him came to be, and apart from him came nothing to be which has come to be. In him was life, and the life was the light of men; and the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness cannot apprehend it. There came to be a man sent from Elohim of the name Yochanan: the same came for a witness, to bear witness of the light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that light, but was sent to bear witness of that light. That was the true light, which lights every man that comes into the world. He was in the world, and the world came to be through him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them he gave power to become sons of Elohim, to them that are faithfully trusting into his name: those not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but from Elohim having been born. And the Memra came to be flesh, and tabernacled among us, [John 1:1-14] but all flesh is not the same flesh: there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds, (and therefore likewise yonah-doves). There are somata-bodies celestial, and somata-bodies terrestrial; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another: if there is a soma psuchikon, there is a soma pneumatikon [1 Corinthians 15:39-40, 44b].
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Revelation 13:6
6. And it opened its mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and those tabernacling in the heavens.
For what comes forth from the mouth of the lion proceeds from the heart of the lion.
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genuineoriginal
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God can answer for Himself, and the question you keep trying to get me to answer is one He is waiting for you to ask of Him.
You can protest against your display of ignorance about God's word all you want, but you have already proven that you can't read and that you rely on what your church taught you instead of what is written in God's word.
genuineoriginal
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Lucky is the lion that a man will eat because the lion will become that man. Unclean is the man that the lion will eat because the lion still becomes that man. Him with ears of Spirit, let him hear, (Thomas #7, Daniel 4:16, Daniel 7:4, Revelation 13:2). :crackup:
Daniel 4:16
16. Let his heart be changed from that of a man, and let the heart of a beast be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him.
Daniel 7:4
4. The first [beast] was like a lion, and had the wings of an eagle: I watched until the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and the heart of a man was given to it.
Revelation 13:2
2. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and its feet were as the feet of a bear, and its mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave it his power, and its seat, and great authority.
Revelation 13:6
6. And it opened its mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and those tabernacling in the heavens.
Matthew 15:18
18. But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20. These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashed hands defiles not a man.
Yep, what comes forth from the mouth proceeds from the heart; and those are the things that defile a man. And the tree is likewise known by its fruits. Likewise if it rips and tears the sheep to shreds it is either a wolf or a lion of a man; for the heart of the man has been given over to the beast of a lion or a wolf. And just you know what comes next in your journey; it appears it will be a she-bear robbed of her cubs, (Hosea 13:7-9). And in the End those beasts of man will cleave open that chestplate of iron and brass you have for the caul of your heart so that Messiah himself can circumcise it anew, (Hosea 13:8). There will be shouts of Grace, grace to it! If indeed you overcome in your hour of trial.
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To deny that John 1.1. is speaking about Jesus Christ is not worthy of serious argument. The Logos became flesh and dwelt among us can only mean Christ.
...He was in the world and the world was made by Him but the world received Him not.
I can't believe you were a Unitarian when you were first became a Christian.
Christ is not the Father nor the Father Christ but Christ was equal with God but humbled Himself and took upon Himself the form of a servant......this also is scripture with plain meaning.
I am shocked at how much you sound like keypurr and Oatmeal.
Nor is the Holy Spirit the Father or the Father the Holy Spirit....are you denying that the Holy Spirit is God?
The scripture is simple and plain as you say, "I will pray the Father and He will send another Comfortor who will be with you and will dwell in you
.......He will not speak of Himself but what He hears that will He speak"
The trouble with you guys is the exact same trouble as the guys who first framed the doctrine of the Trinity....you think you must understand everything and be able to frame God in words which can meet the requirements of man's puny intellect.
Scripture if BELIEVED at face value doe meet the requirements of man's intellect for God is able to make it do so.
It is not in the least bit difficult to understand that God is Father Son and Holy Spirit, one God.
....even GenuineOriginal is a triune being....body, soul and spirit.