Door
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I'm not saying that at all.
You are really unbelievably ignorant.
I wasn't trying to trick you, nor was I creating a paradox. I'm only asking you a question. You are obviously too immature to converse with.
Discussion: Jerry Shugart vs Door
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You are really unbelievably ignorant.
I wasn't trying to trick you, nor was I creating a paradox. I'm only asking you a question. You are obviously too immature to converse with.
Rewards are based on a believer’s spiritual maturity. The Bible describes believers as lambs, sophomores, and sheep. Obviously a sheep is going to have more rewards and blessings that a lamb.
The only way to grow, or become spiritually mature is to walk in the light with your temporal fellowship with God, be filled with the Holy Spirit. Your old sin nature needs to be suppressed as much as possible by the filling of the Holy Spirit in order to mature.
Why do some people get saved, and then never really change too much the rest of their lives? Why do some people get saved and become very mature believers?
This has anything to do with your salvation, or that Christ paid for all of your sins in past, present, and future. That is a given, the destiny part, you are eternally sealed. You will always be walking in the light from your “position” with God.
What you guys advocate is that once a person gets saved, they can sin and do whatever they want the rest of their lives and it really doesn’t matter, since they have no sin.
Tell me how does a believer go from a lamb to a sheep with your theology?
Door
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If we are going to discuss this, try to stick with one point at a time.
First you claim that believers have some kind of reward, and secondly you claim that a reward is based on their "spiritual maturity".
You need to first prove what these rewards are, and how you define maturity. Then we can move on to your other points.
You have two things here that must be clarified.
First you claim that believers have some kind of reward, and secondly you claim that a reward is based on their "spiritual maturity".
You need to first prove what these rewards are, and how you define maturity. Then we can move on to your other points.
Let’s see what Mathew Henry had to say about baptism:
I would say "YES", Mathew Henry had a wonderful imagination.
dreadknought
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tetelestai said:
:think: Your kidding me right? Henry is just elaborating & paraphrasing 1 Peter 3:18-21
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; 19 in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, 20 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. 21 And corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-- not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience-- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Spiritual maturity can only be on the foundation of Christ.
Suppressing the old sin nature is the only way spiritual growth can happen. The only way the old sin nature can be suppressed is by the filling of the Holy Spirit in each believer.
The only way a believer can be filled with the Holy Spirit is to name his or her sins.
Unconfused sin will have a negative effect on rewards because it will limit spiritual growth.
dreadknought
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This discussion has gotten so sidetracked. 
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Why don't you tell us what these works are?
Door
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Not really.This discussion has gotten so sidetracked.
I want to see some biblical evidence that sin effects "rewards".
I want proof of what those rewards are.
I want spiritual maturity to be defined.
I don't believe they have any evidence for their assertions.
dreadknought
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:up:...:shut:
elected4ever
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I think there are better ways to register disagreement.
Nang
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Why?
Why would you say this to another human being?
Why would you wish hell and damnation upon another, who is only a sinner as yourself?
It nauseates me to think of anyone going to hell.
You, being a sinner deserving hell yourself, have no right to wish hell upon another.
You, if you are saved by the grace of God from hell, should only desire grace for your fellow man.
Something is wrong with you . . .
Nang
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Not a good answer.
You have no right to judge other sinners to hell, when that is what you deserve, apart from the grace of God, yourself.
Leave Jerry in the hands of God through love and prayers for Jerry, without judging him to hell, yourself. It is not your place. You are not God and you are no man's Judge!
Nang
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Sure.
Every Christian is given the right and ability to discern truth from falsehood, and responsibility to evaluate truth from error.
But we are forbidden to judge the eternal fate of another.
"To Me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste." Deut. 32:35
"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord." Romans 12:19
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