We are in dwelt by the Spirit and Jesus says that He and the Father will make their abode with us. Pretty simple. God with us.
Denial of the deity of Jesus
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We are in dwelt by the Spirit and Jesus says that He and the Father will make their abode with us. Pretty simple. God with us.
genuineoriginal
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Just like Jesus was indwelt by the Spirit?
So far nothing you say makes our being one with God any different than Jesus being one with God.
Once again proving that the Bible doesn't teach the Trinity doctrine.
John 14:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
The Trinity dwelling within man, explain it away.
Apple7
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The Creator God of the Holy Bible has always revealed Himself as Triune, even from the very beginning.
He would not have revealed Himself in such a way, if Unitarianism, etc, was acceptable.
Your liberal PC style of 'anything and everything goes!' is relegated to file 13...
Apple7
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Jesus is declared to be Theos, in scripture, on the merits of the established rules of Greek grammar, alone.
This is completely independent of your willful denial of it.
Apple7
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Moses was Trinitarian.
Elia
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Bs"d
Moses said: GOD IS ONE:
שמע ישראל י-ה-ו-ה אלהנו י-ה-ו-ה אחד
Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE.
And you shall love Y-H-W-H your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.
And these words which I command you this day shall be upon your heart;
and you shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise.
And you shall bind them as a sign upon your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.
And you shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.
Deut 6:4-9
The Jews until this day fulfill this commandment. Every morning they put upon their arm and upon their forehead their phylacteries, (prayer belts) that consist of black straps with black leather cubes, that contain parchment upon which is written this Biblical text that says that God is one. Upon the doorposts of the houses of the religious Jews there are small boxes or containers that also contain parchment upon which is written that God is one. During the morning and evening prayers the above text is recited which says that God is one.
"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction. The Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say: “Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.”"
Jer 16:19
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Lets re-cognize the omnipresent One.......
Lets re-cognize the omnipresent One.......
I don't deny a tri-une God concept, just a dogmatic assumption of it according to a certain formula. Remember revelation is 'progressive'.
The Urantia Papers have a most glorious presentation of what it calls the 'Paradise Trinity', see here. My concept of 'God' includes a tri-une concept, but is not limited to it, since the Infinite Itself is beyond finite definition and knowledge, it just IS. - therefore there are aspects of Deity that are pre-personal, personal, super-personal, trans-personal, etc. - the UB wonderfully expounds upon these various dimensions. The Bible has in some places by virtue of insight and limited revelation, a triune-concept of Deity, but the UB further unveils it in the greater cosmic perspective.
~*~*~
The Infinite is beyond the scope of the finite, so it might be best to recognize that 'God' comes in many forms and personalities. Its not "anything and everything goes", its the knowledge that there is a universal omnipresent spirit-presence and awareness at the heart of all that exists, as the source and context from which all creation arises (all things/beings).
There is only this infinite intelligence apart from which nothing can exist, which is the source of all. The Infinite itself is unknowable. It can only be assumed as the source of the finite, the origin and sustainer of existence.
Still forever,...'God' is One. This Oneness includes all, pervades all, encompasses all, transcends all, since nothing can exist outside of 'God'.
Lets re-cognize the omnipresent One.......
I don't deny a tri-une God concept, just a dogmatic assumption of it according to a certain formula. Remember revelation is 'progressive'.
The Urantia Papers have a most glorious presentation of what it calls the 'Paradise Trinity', see here. My concept of 'God' includes a tri-une concept, but is not limited to it, since the Infinite Itself is beyond finite definition and knowledge, it just IS. - therefore there are aspects of Deity that are pre-personal, personal, super-personal, trans-personal, etc. - the UB wonderfully expounds upon these various dimensions. The Bible has in some places by virtue of insight and limited revelation, a triune-concept of Deity, but the UB further unveils it in the greater cosmic perspective.
~*~*~
The Infinite is beyond the scope of the finite, so it might be best to recognize that 'God' comes in many forms and personalities. Its not "anything and everything goes", its the knowledge that there is a universal omnipresent spirit-presence and awareness at the heart of all that exists, as the source and context from which all creation arises (all things/beings).
There is only this infinite intelligence apart from which nothing can exist, which is the source of all. The Infinite itself is unknowable. It can only be assumed as the source of the finite, the origin and sustainer of existence.
Still forever,...'God' is One. This Oneness includes all, pervades all, encompasses all, transcends all, since nothing can exist outside of 'God'.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Well shiver me timbers......
Well shiver me timbers......
Tell that to a rabbi :crackup:
Well shiver me timbers......
Tell that to a rabbi :crackup:
Elia
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Apple7 said:
Bs"d
The trins are desperate.
"O Y-H-W-H, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction. The Gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say: “Surely our fathers have inherited lies, worthlessness and unprofitable things.”
Jer 16:19
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Perhaps...but theres more.......
Perhaps...but theres more.......
Hi Elia,
Oh, I think there's much more involved :idea:
Of course so much depends on our concept or spirit-perception of Deity, and still......no matter how you slice or dice 'God'.....He is One
One is the original unit from which all multiples derive. The creation itself in its material form is a 'manifold one',...and we can also say this about 'God', the original Monad....from whose unity, all diversity springs. We cant pigeonhole 'God',....just recognize the reality of unity at the heart of all, and see that its plural in manifestation, by way of its creative will, as we see that reality before our very eyes, and in the intricate relationships of the cosmos itself. Sure, 'God' is singular, but by way of creation is multiplied.
Furthermore, only the infinite is infinite, nothing else - and its beyond finite comprehension or knowledge. Therefore, only that which is of the essence, consciousness or spirit of 'God' in us, knows 'God', since the light of consciousness recognizes itself, its own nature.
Perhaps...but theres more.......
Hi Elia,
Oh, I think there's much more involved :idea:
Of course so much depends on our concept or spirit-perception of Deity, and still......no matter how you slice or dice 'God'.....He is One
One is the original unit from which all multiples derive. The creation itself in its material form is a 'manifold one',...and we can also say this about 'God', the original Monad....from whose unity, all diversity springs. We cant pigeonhole 'God',....just recognize the reality of unity at the heart of all, and see that its plural in manifestation, by way of its creative will, as we see that reality before our very eyes, and in the intricate relationships of the cosmos itself. Sure, 'God' is singular, but by way of creation is multiplied.
Furthermore, only the infinite is infinite, nothing else
- and its beyond finite comprehension or knowledge. Therefore, only that which is of the essence, consciousness or spirit of 'God' in us, knows 'God', since the light of consciousness recognizes itself, its own nature.
Elia
Well-known member
Hi Elia,
Oh, I think there's much more involved :idea:
Of course so much depends on our concept or spirit-perception of Deity, and still......no matter how you slice or dice 'God'.....He is One
One is the original unit from which all multiples derive. The creation itself in its material form is a 'manifold one',...and we can also say this about 'God', the original Monad....from whose unity,
Bs"d
No, God is NOT a "unity".
I know this is very difficult to comprehend for Christians, but GOD IS ONE.
And therefore not a unity.
"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever.".
Micah 4:5
Apple7
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One Trinity.
Apple7
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Apple7
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Already have.
Just like I tell imams that the Koranic 'Muhammad' is an epithet for the Biblical Jesus Christ.
:cigar:
Apple7
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Trinitarian Christians are the only ones to properly interpret scripture, and to properly worship The Creator.
Ben Masada
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Denial of the deity of Jesus.
Denial of the deity of Jesus.
Only the fact that Jesus was a Jew whose Faith was Judaism, constitutes a denial of any claim to his deity.
Denial of the deity of Jesus.
Only the fact that Jesus was a Jew whose Faith was Judaism, constitutes a denial of any claim to his deity.
Apple7
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Do Jews normally murder other Jews for sharing the same faith?
Jesus' faith was squarely in his heavenly Father, Judaism is mostly an evolved religion around the blind faith that Abraham had in Jesus' day.
Jesus followed the reasonable requirements of Judaism but not the barbaric man made Leviticus laws. The religion of Jesus was divorced from the Traditionalism and enslaving rituals of Judaism.
Between Abram and Jesus a great deal of human egotism and politics influenced the so called scripture.
Jesus was killed by the Jews who hated him and therefore his Father also.