Weird Hydrogen and cancer and house sales
Weird Hydrogen and cancer and house sales
In contrast, your original link was to a discussion forum (ScienceForums), similar to TOL, in which the pros and cons of ideas are hashed out. I suspect that article you quoted, when subjected to the examination of the participants at ScienceForums, would have been even more mercilessly ripped up than my mild disapproval of it. So I issue the request again – if you can find, within the ScienceForums discussion threads, where that article is found, I would (again) be in your debt.
When all was said and done, and these YEC leaders published their results, those results turned out to be not much more than a repackaging of the same discredited arguments that have been in vogue for years. They hardly made a ripple in the world of real science. In the real world of science, any team of highly qualified scientists that were as impotent at producing meaningful results as they were, might well fear for their jobs and their professional credibility. And those are the people you are aligning yourself with.
However, I hope you have looked at the cancer issues with a less emotion-driven view than you use when being dismissive of the science we discuss in these forums. You had (and have) prostate cancer. My dad died of prostate cancer. My brother had (has?) prostate cancer (it was treated with embedded radiation pellets). My brother-in-law had his prostate surgically removed because of prostate cancer. And me, well, when my positive diagnoses for prostate cancer came in over a decade ago, I was made aware of an experimental new radiation regimen that was being conducted locally. I am a scientist, and if I am going to die, I can’t think of a better way than to be, in effect, a lab rat that will at least add a data point to a scientific study. I won’t bore you with the specifics of what was unique about my radiation, but so far, my PSA levels are very satisfactory.
Like you, I could describe my cancer as being miniscule. But the problem with cancer, the thing that makes it so dangerous, is it grows. And grows. And grows. Just like money in a really high-interest paying investment, what is little today will be moderate tomorrow, and then bigger, and then huge. My radiation whomped my cancer. Maybe 98% of the cancer cells were killed. But how about those surviving few thousand cancer cells? Maybe 20,000 in 4 years, and then 80,000 a few years later, and so on, doubling every few years. The numbers start getting really big after a while. Unless something really slows it down, the cancer is like Sauron, silently building its evil army behind the walls of Mordor.
I harbor no illusions that I could survive long-term unless some further action were to be taken to again reduce the number of viable cancerous cells. Anyway, I know where you are coming from on the cancer thing – been there, done that.
But let me address the inconsistent approach you are taking. You have said that earlier in your life you aspired to be a doctor. If you had taken that path, and had diagnosed a patient with prostate cancer, what would you do? Would you summarily dismiss any thought of using embedded radiation, like was used on my brother? After all, the radiation dosage is crucially dependent on the absolute reliability of the half-life of the radioactive pellets. In fact there are numerous medical procedures and tests that rely on the accuracy of radiation half-life measurements. As a doctor, you would probably have to take down your shingle, and maybe limit yourself to a hands-off practice, like psychology or such.
Now for a peripheral question. You have alluded to the idea that some major event in the end-times is going to happen before year’s end. If that means you will be taken up in the rapture, or whisked off to warn the people in the Holy Land, or some such, will you no longer need your domicile in Phoenix? If you own a home there, and will not have need of it after the big event, I would like to tender an offer – say 40% of the appraised value, paid to you immediately upon signing of legally binding papers, with you keeping the home until year’s end. Think of it, that might be enough money right now for you to do some serious proselyting work, and share with your sisters, and even have a two-pound lobster for a midnight snack every night by the pool for the rest of the year. But come January 1st, 2016, a moving van loaded with my furniture will be at your (my) front door, ready to start moving in. Interested?
Weird Hydrogen and cancer and house sales
I sincerely thank you for taking the time and effort to track this down. However … I did a Google search a couple days ago when you first posted the quotes in question, and this same Chemistry.Answers.com link popped up then. But that site simply repeats the identical (erroneous) text you gave us. There is no discussion or commentary on that text there.
In contrast, your original link was to a discussion forum (ScienceForums), similar to TOL, in which the pros and cons of ideas are hashed out. I suspect that article you quoted, when subjected to the examination of the participants at ScienceForums, would have been even more mercilessly ripped up than my mild disapproval of it. So I issue the request again – if you can find, within the ScienceForums discussion threads, where that article is found, I would (again) be in your debt.
Hydrogen 57 does not exist.
Hydrogen-57 still does not exist, Michael. (And, since hydrogen is the first element in the Periodic Table of Elements, as well as being the simplest of all the elements in its structure, almost every student of science knows what a hydrogen atom “looks” like. Your repeatedly referring to it as hydrogen-57 indicates to me that you are mentally focused on how to show dating is wrong, to the exclusion of even realizing you are writing sheer scientific nonsense. I am trying desperately to get you to use your logic, and see what your logic tells you, free of whatever pre-conceived ideas you are emotionally wedded to.) Think when you write.
Are you aware that a dozen years ago a select group of the premier PhD scientists in your fundamentalist camp jointly undertook a formal effort lasting several years to examine and validate the evidences supporting a recent creation? The effort was sponsored by the ICR, and was known as the “RATE” project. C-14 dating was one of the items included in that study. John Baumgardner, one of the scientific PhD luminaries in the YEC world, was the focal point for showing the weaknesses in radiological dating.
When all was said and done, and these YEC leaders published their results, those results turned out to be not much more than a repackaging of the same discredited arguments that have been in vogue for years. They hardly made a ripple in the world of real science. In the real world of science, any team of highly qualified scientists that were as impotent at producing meaningful results as they were, might well fear for their jobs and their professional credibility. And those are the people you are aligning yourself with.
No Michael, not true. I authored a long post a few days ago showing that even something as potent as high-explosives have almost no effect on the nucleus of the atoms, where the factors that govern decay rates are determined. Forget oxidation, acids, solutes, pressure, heat. Now what “other factors have an adverse reaction to that decaying”?
I am glad your cancer is not an issue for you right now. I hope it is a non-issue for years to come.
However, I hope you have looked at the cancer issues with a less emotion-driven view than you use when being dismissive of the science we discuss in these forums. You had (and have) prostate cancer. My dad died of prostate cancer. My brother had (has?) prostate cancer (it was treated with embedded radiation pellets). My brother-in-law had his prostate surgically removed because of prostate cancer. And me, well, when my positive diagnoses for prostate cancer came in over a decade ago, I was made aware of an experimental new radiation regimen that was being conducted locally. I am a scientist, and if I am going to die, I can’t think of a better way than to be, in effect, a lab rat that will at least add a data point to a scientific study. I won’t bore you with the specifics of what was unique about my radiation, but so far, my PSA levels are very satisfactory.
Like you, I could describe my cancer as being miniscule. But the problem with cancer, the thing that makes it so dangerous, is it grows. And grows. And grows. Just like money in a really high-interest paying investment, what is little today will be moderate tomorrow, and then bigger, and then huge. My radiation whomped my cancer. Maybe 98% of the cancer cells were killed. But how about those surviving few thousand cancer cells? Maybe 20,000 in 4 years, and then 80,000 a few years later, and so on, doubling every few years. The numbers start getting really big after a while. Unless something really slows it down, the cancer is like Sauron, silently building its evil army behind the walls of Mordor.
I harbor no illusions that I could survive long-term unless some further action were to be taken to again reduce the number of viable cancerous cells. Anyway, I know where you are coming from on the cancer thing – been there, done that.
But let me address the inconsistent approach you are taking. You have said that earlier in your life you aspired to be a doctor. If you had taken that path, and had diagnosed a patient with prostate cancer, what would you do? Would you summarily dismiss any thought of using embedded radiation, like was used on my brother? After all, the radiation dosage is crucially dependent on the absolute reliability of the half-life of the radioactive pellets. In fact there are numerous medical procedures and tests that rely on the accuracy of radiation half-life measurements. As a doctor, you would probably have to take down your shingle, and maybe limit yourself to a hands-off practice, like psychology or such.
Now for a peripheral question. You have alluded to the idea that some major event in the end-times is going to happen before year’s end. If that means you will be taken up in the rapture, or whisked off to warn the people in the Holy Land, or some such, will you no longer need your domicile in Phoenix? If you own a home there, and will not have need of it after the big event, I would like to tender an offer – say 40% of the appraised value, paid to you immediately upon signing of legally binding papers, with you keeping the home until year’s end. Think of it, that might be enough money right now for you to do some serious proselyting work, and share with your sisters, and even have a two-pound lobster for a midnight snack every night by the pool for the rest of the year. But come January 1st, 2016, a moving van loaded with my furniture will be at your (my) front door, ready to start moving in. Interested?
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