You jump to conclusions.
I have not made a case that it does.
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I don't need to, as I can already read, write, and speak Greek (and Hebrew also).
Christians worship Christ; JW's do not!
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I'm not talking about someone that you give a pamphlet to paying anything.
I'm asking how much you have to give for those pamphlets to begin with so that you have them to pass out.
Jesus would not establish the way Paul did. Look at the organizations and denominations' corruption.
Organization is a loot of all corruption.
Organizations operate to follow their leaders.
His followers follow Jesus, not organization, nor any man.
I have exposed organizations' corruption many times and So did truthjourney.
I have exposed both, trin churches and JWs.
Jesus says to come out of Babylon, I believe Jesus is talking about the organizations.
drbrumley
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You are not making any sense....
How did Paul establish the "Body of Christ," which is Christ's Church?
He gave instructions how to operate the church.
I know JWs are very faithful to follow Paul's instruction than trin churches.
drbrumley
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Please don't forget this post since your answering questions...
What does this even mean? Original servants?
Is this serious question? or you don't know who they are?
drbrumley
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I can only assume you mean the 12....you didn't elaborate on your previous post
drbrumley
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Ok well, amazingly we might agree on something, albeit for different reasons.
The 12 are to sit and judge the 12 tribes. We are not the 12 tribes so the 12 will not be judging us. Paul was the 1st member of the Church which is Body of Christ.
Nope, Paul is not one of the original ones.
Those twelve followed Him like children from the beginning..
that makes a big difference.
drbrumley
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Twelve tribes are symbolic. Jesus will judge all of us, not just the Jews.
You are greatly mistaken.
My reasoning is all contextual.
I follow overall context.
No you don't, Meshak. If you did, you wouldn't reject 75% of the Bible.
Says the hypocrite who says "judging is wrong" out of one side of the mouth and then judging everyone for rebuking her out of the other side.
A Greek lesson for you.
John 1:1 (Greek and English)
εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The article in a prepositional phrase is normally dropped in Koine Greek.
The absence of the article in a prepositional phrase is normal, and thus no significance.
For example:
The prepositional phrase 'εν αρχη' (literally, 'in beginning')doesn't use an article (the), but is properly translated to English grammar as "in the beginning."
The prepositional phrase 'εν αρχη' (literally, 'in beginning')doesn't use an article (the), but is properly translated to English grammar as "in the beginning."
Greek makes a distinction of the role a noun plays in a sentence by changing the case.
Generally, when the noun is the subject, it is in the nominative case, and if it is the direct object, it is in the accusative case.
But there will be times when there are two nominative case nouns in the same phrase, so how does one determine which is the subject?
Here is the rule to determine it:
A. If both nouns have the article attached, the first is the subject, the second is the predicate.
B. If neither noun has the article attached, the first is the subject, the second is the predicate.
C. If one noun has an article and the other does not, the one with the article is the subject, and the one without the article is the predicate.
B. If neither noun has the article attached, the first is the subject, the second is the predicate.
C. If one noun has an article and the other does not, the one with the article is the subject, and the one without the article is the predicate.
There are 3 phrases in the verse.
εν αρχη ην ο λογος
και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον
και θεος ην ο λογος
και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον
και θεος ην ο λογος
So let's look at the last phrase of John 1:1.
και θεος ην ο λογος
Both nouns are in the nominative case, but one has an article and the other does not.
και means "and".
λογος has an article (o) and θεος does not.
Thus it falls under C. --- o λογος (the Word) is the subject, while θεος (God) is the predicate.
Some folks get mixed up due to Greek syntax, because in Greek it doesn't matter WHERE is the phrase the subject falls (first or last), it will not change the grammatical construction, while in English it does.
English grammar puts the subject first.
Thus the English translation is "the Word was God", instead of "God was the Word", because "the Word" is the subject.
But it goes even further than that, as the last phrase causes us to place emphasis on it because of the unusual placement and thus drawing attention to it.
It is akin to saying 'After hearing what I have just said (in the first two phrases), let me make it VERY CLEAR!!!!!! that the Word is God'.
The ruling is often referred to as the Granville Sharp rule.
The interesting thing about this rule is that there has never been an exception found.
Not only in biblical literature, but in any Greek literature.
Foolish woman, there is no place where 12 tribes is symbolic of the whole world.
We know exactly what the 12 tribes are all throughout scripture.
I hope they roast every single one of them.
It's sickening how men will distort scripture in order to let evil continue.