Christians worship Christ; JW's do not!

Apple7

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You attempt to hide behind your supposed superior knowledge of the Hebrew, but fail to address that Exodus 21:6 and Exodus 22:8-9 is speaking about the Judges representing God and the plurality here in Elohim is not the Trinity. When Elohim is used for God Himself it is singular as in Genesis 1:27.

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The Hebrew term employed in your pet polemic verses, is 'haelohim'...NOT to be confused with 'elohim'.

If you even bothered to look, you could have easily verified this for yourself, and prevented further embarrassment to your continued denial of this cold, hard fact.

The same exact Hebrew term is used of both Noah and Enoch when they walked with God (haelohim).

According to YOUR cultic logic, these two individuals walked with human judges! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
 

keypurr

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Well here they are: In John 5:18 we are told that Jesus’ opponents sought to kill him because he "called God his Father, making himself equal with God."

In John 8:58, when quizzed about how he has special knowledge of Abraham, Jesus replies, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM"—invoking and applying to himself the personal name of God—"I AM" or YHWH (Ex. 3:14). His audience understood exactly what he was claiming about himself. "So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple" (John 8:59).

Perhaps most important are passages that apply the title "the First and the Last" to Jesus. The "First and the Last" is an Old Testament title of Yahweh: "Thus says Yahweh, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, Yahweh of armies: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; besides me there is no god’" (Is. 44:6; cf. 41:4, 48:12). This title is directly applied to Jesus three times in the book of Revelation: "When I saw him [Christ], I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand upon me, saying, ‘Fear not, I am the First and the Last’" (Rev. 1:17). "And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the First and the Last, who died and came to life’" (Rev. 2:8). "Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense, to repay every one for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the beginning and the end" (Rev. 22:12–13). This last quote is especially significant since it applies to Jesus the parallel title "the Alpha and the Omega," which Revelation earlier applied to the Lord God: "‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty" (Rev. 1:8).

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Now you have seen them. If you deny the Divinity of Christ then you are not a Christian. That is a fact. Sorry if it hurts.

Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
How does this say Jesus is God? God is my Father also, am I a God also?

(Joh 8:58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Jesus was not saying he was God, the logos, who spoke through him said it was with God in the beginning.

I could go on but you would not understand for your brainwashed.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
How does this say Jesus is God? God is my Father also, am I a God also?

(Joh 8:58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Jesus was not saying he was God, the logos, who spoke through him said it was with God in the beginning.

I could go on but you would not understand for your brainwashed.

You have been 'brainwashed,' as well. You only have your own 'theories' to blame for that.
 

keypurr

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What I have a problem with the fact that many who see the faults of the RCC still hold on to their evil fables and doctrines.
 

keypurr

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Well, your 'theory' that God the Father created His own Son is pretty, pretty, unorthodox to say the least.

Consider that the EXPRESS IMAGE of God is firstborn of all creatures/creation.
Are you having a problem with understanding that?

Do you also have a problem with the fact that God is a spirit so his exact image is also a spirit?

Can you name ANY IMAGE that is not a creation?

Think GM, I think you should try thinking, it has its rewards.
 

JudgeRightly

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Yet, in all your wisdom, you can not disprove them.
Still waiting for you to address this, Keypurr:

If Christ was only a man, even perfect, He could not ransom himself for anyone other than Himself, according to Psalm 49:7-9, and only God can save man, according to verse 15.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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Consider that the EXPRESS IMAGE of God is firstborn of all creatures/creation.
Are you having a problem with understanding that?

Do you also have a problem with the fact that God is a spirit so his exact image is also a spirit?

Can you name ANY IMAGE that is not a creation?

Think GM, I think you should try thinking, it has its rewards.




I'm 'thinking' you don't KNOW what you're talking about and just making it up as you go along. How's that?
 

keypurr

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Still waiting for you to address this, Keypurr:

If Christ was only a man, even perfect, He could not ransom himself for anyone other than Himself, according to Psalm 49:7-9, and only God can save man, according to verse 15.

Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

ONE MAN.

When Psalms were written Jesus did not exist.
 

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Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

ONE MAN.

When Psalms were written Jesus did not exist.
You're still not addressing the point I'm making.

If Jesus was only a man, then he could not ransom his life for anyone but Himself. Are you saying that that Psalm is wrong? That a man CAN ransom his life for all of mankind?

Be careful how you answer keypurr, youre coming very close to saying scripture is wrong.
 

keypurr

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You're still not addressing the point I'm making.

If Jesus was only a man, then he could not ransom his life for anyone but Himself. Are you saying that that Psalm is wrong? That a man CAN ransom his life for all of mankind?

Be careful how you answer keypurr, youre coming very close to saying scripture is wrong.

Was not all the power of the logos given to Jesus the MAN? Acts 10:38.
Jesus said ALL power was given to him BY HIS FATHER.
Yet he tells us that only his Father is the true God. So he was just a man who could die on a stake to save the world, the perfect Lamb of God.

You need to think also.
 
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