Catholicism: The Mother of All Religions

Bard_the_Bowman

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Jesus was a teacher of the law. The law reveals the righteousness of God and the sinfulness of man. I believe that the reason that thousands came to know Christ as their savior on the day of Pentecost was because they had been following Jesus around and listening to him preach the law.

Some probably did. Some probably didn't. The town was filled with pilgrims from all over the place including Rome. Jesus didn't preach everywhere and He didn't go to Rome so there were probably plenty of people there who had never heard him preach at all. And many who did hear Him preach who didn't accept Him as Saviour, too.

While Jesus was dying on the cross God tore the veil that covered the "Holy of Holies" from the top to the bottom, Matthew 27:51. This signified the end of the Old Covenant, the law and the Jewish religion. From now on the Jews were no longer required to live according to the law or the Jewish religion. This is why Paul wrote, "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17 and not according to religion.

I agree. That is the point I was making in the earlier post about Ephesians 2:15.

But that doesn't meant that all rules, laws, and religions have been abolished. And the Bible doesn't say that.

By the way, the veil wasn't torn in two while Jesus was dying....but after He had died. We read that in Matthew 27:50.

The just were to live by faith in Christ and his Gospel, plus nothing.

That verse isn't in any Bible that I know of. Where is it in yours?

Peace.
 

jamie

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All laws, rules and religions have been abolished, Ephesians 2:15.

Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. (Galatians 6:1-2)​

Jesus' law: "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Your religion is based on the premise that affection toward the Most High and your neighbors has been outlawed.

Without love and concern for others you are an empty and withered soul.
 

meshak

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Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. (Galatians 6:1-2)​

Jesus' law: "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Your religion is based on the premise that affection toward the Most High and your neighbors has been outlawed.

Without love and concern for others you are an empty and withered soul.

well said:)
 

Robert Pate

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Some probably did. Some probably didn't. The town was filled with pilgrims from all over the place including Rome. Jesus didn't preach everywhere and He didn't go to Rome so there were probably plenty of people there who had never heard him preach at all. And many who did hear Him preach who didn't accept Him as Saviour, too.



I agree. That is the point I was making in the earlier post about Ephesians 2:15.

But that doesn't meant that all rules, laws, and religions have been abolished. And the Bible doesn't say that.

By the way, the veil wasn't torn in two while Jesus was dying....but after He had died. We read that in Matthew 27:50.



That verse isn't in any Bible that I know of. Where is it in yours?

Peace.

If the law has been fulfilled and sin has been atoned for, then there is nothing left for us to do than to live by faith. "The Just Shall Live By Faith" and not by rules, laws or religion.
 

Bard_the_Bowman

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He had the same authority all of Gods children have "Gods Word"


everready

Hey everready,

So I've never noticed that the Bible states that the Roman Catholic Church is the AntiChrist or the Whore of Babylon.

Probably because it doesn't.

So really, it is not "God's Word" that you are saying is the authority...but Keith Green's interpretation of "God's Word".

So I still have the essentially the same question:

What makes Keith Green's opinion trustworthy or correct or having more authority than anybody else's?

Why should we believe that his interpretation is correct?

Peace.
 

Bard_the_Bowman

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If the law has been fulfilled and sin has been atoned for, then there is nothing left for us to do than to live by faith. "The Just Shall Live By Faith" and not by rules, laws or religion.

In other words, that idea cannot be found in a verse in the Bible.

That is just your own ideas/interpretations.

So when Jesus says we should "love one another" or "Love God"...was that just a suggestion?? Or is that something we really need to do??

Peace.
 

Robert Pate

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In other words, that idea cannot be found in a verse in the Bible.

That is just your own ideas/interpretations.

So when Jesus says we should "love one another" or "Love God"...was that just a suggestion?? Or is that something we really need to do??

Peace.


The Gospel calls for holy living. We are called to be witnesses for Christ and his Gospel. Living by faith in Christ and his Gospel is also known as living by the Spirit. If you are living by laws rules and religion you are under the law and will be judged by the law, Galatians 3:11
 

Bard_the_Bowman

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The Gospel calls for holy living.

But that is optional right? I mean, Christians do not really have to do that, do they?

We are called to be witnesses for Christ and his Gospel.

But that is optional as well, right? Christians do not really have to do that, do they?

Living by faith in Christ and his Gospel is also known as living by the Spirit.

And that is optional, too, right?

If you are living by laws rules and religion you are under the law and will be judged by the law, Galatians 3:11

Peace.
 

beloved57

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There is no Gospel called the "Free Will Gospel."

You are calling the Gospel of Jesus Christ, false?

You preach the Gospel of mans freewill. You teach that salvation is the result of man exercising his freewill to accept Christ. All hail freewill
 

Nihilo

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Catholicism: The Mother of All Religions
I would say that the Catholic Church is the mother church.
All religions have evolved out of Catholicism, even Calvinism and Lutheranism.
They would have to. Since the Catholic Church is the global organization that the Apostle Paul farmed and spread toward Rome, the center of the Roman Empire.
There is no mention in the Bible of a church in Rome.
Like's there no mention of the ten Apostles, even though there were at least ten of them; Twelve even.
In the book of Romans Paul did not write to a church in Rome. He wrote to the believers in Rome, Romans 1:7.
Show where there's a distinction between the believers in Rome---or for any other city---and the church in Rome. You can't.
When John wrote the book of Revelation, he wrote it to the seven churches in Asia, Revelation 1:11. There is no mention of a church in Rome.
Also there's no mention of other churches we know existed anyway. Nowhere does Revelation purport to be chronicling all known churches.
There is no mention in the Bible of Peter going to a church in Rome.
True, unless you're willing to believe what the Church has believed from the earliest, that Peter's mention of writing from Babylon is a code for Rome, that, again, the whole Church believed from the earliest.
Revelation 17:1-18, describes what may be the Catholic church.
Not unless the Church says so. Yours is just an opinion with no weight behind it. The Church actually has an official teaching office, the college of bishops in communion with the pope and the pope himself (always a man and never a lady). What they say actually has weight behind it, because of the history of the organization and because the Scripture teaches that the Church should be overseen by bishops. These men (all men, never a lady among them) are them.
How can we know if a church is really a church of God? John encourages us to try the Spirits to see if they be of God, 1 John 4:1-6. If it is a church of God, it will uphold and teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ as the only means of ones salvation.
John was writing to test those who weren't Apostles to see if they taught as the Apostles taught. You should obey this scripture and test the spirits to see if they align with what the bishops teach in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" Acts 4:12.

Not by Calvinism, Not by Catholicism, Not by any religion. Jesus and Jesus alone, is our savior and is the savior of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.
The Church teaches all this. The Church further teaches that the true, accurate, historical expression of the One Christian faith is Holy Catholicism.
Catholicism, Calvinism and many other religions do not uphold the Gospel as man's only means of salvation. No one will enter heaven that has not been justified by the Gospel of Jesus Christ. In the Gospel you must be put to death with Christ, Romans 6:3 and be resurrected with Christ Romans 6:4. So as to be born again by the word of God, 1 Peter 1:23 and walk in newness of life.

The Catholic church does not have a Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. In the Catholic church you must do works. Like Calvinist, they do not believe that... "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" Which is the Gospel, Romans 10:17. They believe that good works causes one to be born again, kind of like Calvinism. No Christ or Gospel needed. They just get zapped with the Holy Spirit and are born again. No one is born again without hearing and believing the Gospel, Galatians 3:2. To be saved you must believe that Jesus has reconciled you unto God by his life, death and resurrection.
All I can say is that the Catholic Church is the Christian family, the official family of Christians. There are those like you who are only Catholic in heart but not bodily, and those like you the Church still embraces as fully Christian, as are those who are both in heart and bodily, Catholic. (The Church does not teach that those who are only Catholic bodily, but not in heart, are Christians.)
 
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