1Mind1Spirit
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Why assume he did?
Can Man's Sinful Adamic Nature Be Rehabilitated?
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Why assume he did?
1Mind1Spirit
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Scripture where God pointed it out, please.
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1Mind1Spirit
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So?
iouae
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Gen 2
9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Not only was it "pleasant to the sight and good for food" but it is the only tree pointed out as being smack in the middle of the garden. Now why include that detail. To show that one could not miss it.
1Mind1Spirit
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iouae
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9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Seems like you lost your bet.
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
You assume much.
First off the pleasant trees were listed separately from those good for food.
Not all trees that are pleasant looking are good for food.
Not all trees that are good for food are pleasant looking.
Last but not least, God only pointed out one tree to Adam.
Genesis 3:17 KJV
17 And unto Adam he said , Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee , saying , Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
The most beautiful visible tree in the garden.
It definitely dwarfed the tree of life which could have been not so pleasant as well as hidden by the firs and cedars.
Ezekiel 31:8 KJV
8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
Ben Masada
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Can Man's Sinful Adamic Nature be Rehabilitated?
Can Man's Sinful Adamic Nature be Rehabilitated?
Yes, and that's the main reason why the Law was given. If men obey it, it is only obvious that their nature will be rehabilitated. (Isaiah 1:18,19)
Can Man's Sinful Adamic Nature be Rehabilitated?
Yes, and that's the main reason why the Law was given. If men obey it, it is only obvious that their nature will be rehabilitated. (Isaiah 1:18,19)
Ben Masada
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Yes. That's why man was banned from the Garden of Eden to prevent him from that chance to eat of the tree of life and live forever. (Gen. 3:22,23) That's why we don't have eternal life. And that's the reason why that Divine attribute could not be shared with man.
Ben Masada
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So that man could exercise the Divine attributes granted to him as Intellect and Freewill
iouae
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To test his obedience? Before granting him eternal life? Because God does not want to create another Satan?
So the order he eats of the trees is NB?
ttruscott
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To say that he brought judgement upon us IS NOT TO SAY that he brought sin upon us since we all have sinned and by our own sin have become sinners under the judgement Adam brought upon us, a life in him doomed to die.
It was there so Adam could eat it. When Adam ate it, he participated in the last step of his own creation, and became different than the other animals.
musterion
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The Bible doesn't say how long "a long time" was, but okay so far.
Here's where your logic breaks down. His choice to sin (for he was not deceived as the woman was) IS the fall as far as you and I are concerned for we are all counted as in him, not in her. This, I suspect, prefigures the believer's positional standing in Christ, simultaneous with his positional removal from Adam.
I'm not going to argue the nature of Adam's nature. All I need to do is remind you that his relationship with God - heretofore perfect - was now damaged by his choice to sin. So it is with our own relationship with God, BY NATURE (take that as literal or as a figure of speech but it amounts to the same thing, for we ALL sin and fall short...where do we get that? From Adam).
Dead wrong. The old man is all one has and is apart from Christ, and the old man, the flesh, IS sin.
Dead wrong. The old man can do nothing BUT sin. That's why the only remedy to Him is the crucifixion...being reckoned as DEAD. The logic of your position, to the contrary, seems to be that the old man can be tamed, trained or reformed to an extent that eventually pleases God.
Dead wrong. The new man CANNOT sin.
Dead wrong. He would have had no need to put on the new man for there would have been no old man to put off.
An offer of reconciliation assumes prior alienation. We -- all of us -- are born alienated from God by sin and so are in need of reconciliation to Him. We -- all of us -- get that alienation from Adam.
Ephesians 2:3. Deal with it.