Pil-You said;
I had hoped, however, that having made myself clear, that we as brothers in Christ would be able to find some grace or charity between us so that we could do as the rest of the passage in Matthew tells us, and come to the Lord's table honestly.
First you say that God commanded the Israelites to commit murder and rape, and then you claim you didn’t say it, then you try to get out of it. Is that coming to the Lord’s table honestly?
Let’s review the posts leading up to this; First Binkus accused God of commanding the Israelites to murder, kidnap and rape;
In the Bible, the Christian god's chosen people kidnap, rape and murder under his command. Is that "absolutely" wrong or "absolutely" right? According to who? It is all so confusing...
Then Novice took him to task for this, defending God;
LOL!!! Hey Mr. Zakath errrrrrr I mean Binkus, even if your above statement were true (which it isn't) are you asserting that there IS such a thing as absolute morality???
Then you jump right in to defend Binkus position;
how can you say that it is not true? The Israelites were commanded to do those things. Are you saying they never kidnapped or murdered anyone?
Then, when challenged, you back step quickly;
Settle down people.
Check my posts very carefully. I never once called God a murderer. I asked a question about the Israelites to get the conversation going.
So just where is this honesty?
Look we all make mistakes, and if you misspoke, or didn’t think it through before you typed what you typed, then fine, (although I find your constant siding with the haters of God quite interesting, not to mention scary), but for you to keep trying to justify a wrong statement of this magnitude, as if you never said it, is disgraceful.
And about the “fool” statement. Whether it is in the text or not is really irrelevant at this point because it is obvious from the context that it be added, and the
but has nothing to do with it. You need to get the Big Picture, when reading God’s word. God and His people call others fools numerous times in the Bible.
Or perhaps Paul is going to hell for his
foolish? statements?
1Cor. 15:36Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies.
Gal. 3:1O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?
Honesty is the best policy.
Well, you have stated this may be dropped, so I will not bring it up again, unless you request me to do so.
One last thing. Go back and read Knight’s illustration of proving the existence of gravity. This is the same tact he is taking on the morality issue and it is brilliant. Remember the scientific argument? Here is a
very simple example of how it works;
First you make a repeated observation; “My pen falls when I drop it.” Then you form a theory; “The earth sucks.” Then you test that theory through repeated attempts to disprove the assumption; “I went to the top of a mountain, the bottom of a canyon, in a dessert, in a snow storm and in every place and altitude and condition, it still fell.”
Now you haven’t proven that the earth sucks everywhere because you don’t have the capability to go everywhere, but you have shown that in every place you did go, the theory held. In effect you were trying to punch holes in your stated theory and when you fail to do so, it is time to accept it.
Knight has made the repeated statement that the fact that “Z” admits that there is such a thing as murder (different than killing) whatever definition “Z” wants to put to it, proves the existence of absolute morality. And it does. Otherwise, all killing is just that, “killing.” And there is no such thing as murder. Period. Not just the word, but the actually of it.
