Another homo marriage activist found to be a pedo

[musterion]

So blinded by your hate that you can't keep our names straight. You're one steaming pile of sad.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Then here's your chance to shut me down.

The man in the op and the one in the other thread who was ready to buy a boy...as far as these reports go, is their sin that they are homosexuals, or that they are child molesters, or both? Or neither?

Simple question.

What actual difference does it make to you whether other people hold the same religious conviction as you do where it comes to homosexuality? I'll bite just to see where you're actually heading with this and whether you're going to predictably make it a religious rabbit trail as oppose to the political and criminal aspects of the topic. I don't see homosexuality in itself as a sin. I do see child abuse as a crime no matter who is perpetrating it.

 

[Lon]

Seriously?

Spoiler

After you just told me to "own some of this" because I "jumped in?"

This is plain nuts. You know, you can keep pretending that you didn't mess up big time, but you did. Don't lie about me. That's it.



No again. You told him you thought his sexual life was impure. That's none of your business. What hubris... Try talking about the subject without personalizing it in such an obnoxious way.



I'm not interested in your preaching, and I'll post right past it if you insist on forcing it into a conversation with me.

No, none of this. It is just you being outraged and imho, for no good reason and none of it carrying the thread.

 

[Lon]

Bigotry is basically an addiction to the delusion of one's own inflated self-righteousness.

You have to realize you express your shallow two-dimensional thinking. I'm a bigot because the 'bully' pulled a knife on me and tried to rape me. I've been inappropriately propositioned when sex was the last thing on a young kids mind. THAT is what causes bigotry.

Normal people don't obsess over them, and loathe complete strangers because of the sins they imagine them to have committed. Only spiritually and psychologically sick people do that.

For whatever reason, you weren't their target. Go figure you'd blame those who were. Again, your pop psychology ONLY applies to you.

Actually, they are pretty much the same sentiment, and idea. The uglier you imagine the world to be, the prettier you can imagine yourself as being, in relation.

And here I thought it was because every one I'd ever met was older and making advances toward a child :dizzy:
Your pop psych is horribly inaccurate. Some? Yeah but to whitewash the whole? :nono: it is injustice.
Cruciform told TOL that it was the homosexual priests that were allowed in much as society is doing now. These were the ones that had been molesting children. Now, as policy, the RC no longer allows homosexual priests. It cost them a lot giving them the benefit of the doubt.

It isn't rocket science. Grade school kids do it all the time. They single out the kid that's different and pick on them so they won't be the one picked on, themselves. They do it to others because they're afraid if they don't others will do it to them. This is the mentality of the bully and the bigot. It's fueled by their own fear. They publicly focus on the flaws of others, real or imagined, hoping that no one will see the flaws in themselves. And over the years it just becomes their nature: to blame everyone else while they pretend they're better than them. This is what happens to people when they can't control or even recognize their own ego-centric fear.

Its a good thing it isn't rocket-science but it might as well be for you. You can't do it. This is a erroneous blanketed statement.

Bigotry is applying experience to all people in that group. You should own the idea that you are a bigot against conservative fundamental Christians. I am not afraid of or hate homosexuals. I am not afraid of or hate adulterers. I am not afraid of, nor hate gluttons.

Hating strangers for the 'sins' that you imagine they've committed is a sickness that will destroy your own soul.

Some people sure hate Christians because you think we 'hate or are afraid of' homosexuals. Some people will hate the sinner here on TOL. I think I've a few reasons to do so, but I don't.

It's also an expression of religious bigotry.

:up: Your whole post. You think we're "just being mean."

The whole point of this thread was to spread the lie that all homosexuals are pedophiles. That's bigotry, plain and simple. I'm just explaining why people fall into it.

From my experience? They all were. That's not bigotry. I expect there may be homosexuals that aren't. Do I have any experience with that? :nono: A good many of the rest of us heterosexuals in high school weren't even hetero at that point.

 

[ok doser]

Again, your pop psychology ONLY applies to you.

it's best, when reading purex, to realize that he is projecting his own warped psyche and created realities


and is totally unaware of it :nono:

 

[kiwimacahau]

Homosexuality is not a sin.

 

[Lon]

Homosexuality is not a sin.

:dizzy:
"'OM...' is not a sin."
"Thievery is not a sin."
Lying is not a sin.
"Having other gods is not a sin."
"Simply 'wanting' what another has (coveting) is not a sin."
"Saying something false about another person is not a sin."
"Adultery is not a sin."
"Fornication is not a sin."
"Relations with animals is not a sin."
"Pedophilia is not a sin."
"Using other people for your own desires is not a sin."
"Disobeying your parents is not a sin."
"Dishonoring your parents is not a sin."
"Divorce is not a sin."
"Disagreeing with God is not a sin."
"They guy who pulled a knife on me wasn't sinning."
"Older men propositioning me as a child was not a sin."
"Older men propositioning me as a young adult was not a sin."
:dizzy:

Matthew 5:28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a [man or] woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

 

[musterion]

Any professing Christian who reduces opposition to biblically identified sins to "bullying" cannot be saved, since there's no way they would ever repent to and believe the Bully behind it all.

 

[kiwimacahau]

:dizzy:
"'OM...' is not a sin."
"Thievery is not a sin."
Lying is not a sin.
"Having other gods is not a sin."
"Simply 'wanting' what another has (coveting) is not a sin."
"Saying something false about another person is not a sin."
"Adultery is not a sin."
"Fornication is not a sin."
"Relations with animals is not a sin."
"Pedophilia is not a sin."
"Using other people for your own desires is not a sin."
"Disobeying your parents is not a sin."
"Dishonoring your parents is not a sin."
"Divorce is not a sin."
"Disagreeing with God is not a sin."
"They guy who pulled a knife on me wasn't sinning."
"Older men propositioning me as a child was not a sin."
"Older men propositioning me as a young adult was not a sin."
:dizzy:

Matthew 5:28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a [man or] woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Show me how those fit in the human sexual spectrum?

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[kiwimacahau]

Any professing Christian who reduces opposition to biblically identified sins to "bullying" cannot be saved, since there's no way they would ever repent to and believe the Bully behind it all.

Aha yeah right

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[patrick jane]

Homosexuality is not a sin.

The Bible tells me it is.

 

[Lon]

Show me how those fit in the human sexual spectrum?

:dizzy:
"'OM...' is not a sin." - Taking not only His name, but Him in vain. He designs something and we go against His design, it is sin
"Thievery is not a sin." - Any time we take what doesn't belong to us, assuming we all live or die to the Lord, then it is thievery
Lying is not a sin. - In this case, even if we don't know we are saying something wrong, it is still following the father of lies
"Having other gods is not a sin." - "My God is not against...." Making a god in our own image and preference rather than allowing Him to dictate:

Any professing Christian who reduces opposition to biblically identified sins to "bullying" cannot be saved, since there's no way they would ever repent to and believe the Bully behind it all.

Aha yeah right

If he can prove his point, you are found in sin and calling evil good, and good evil. That is the earmark of blasphemy. Why would you do that? --> It is an excusing behavior. Bigotry is a problem. It is either Samaritans or black Americans BUT if we sanction one based on his/her sins, rather than identity, then we've crossed an unacceptable line and are protecting a sin, rather than a person in our policy. Bottom line: ANY malpurpose of sex is outside of God's design.
God only designed it for the confines of marriage. That's it. The rest of us are to remain celibate. Of course the world will sin, but we are not to 'sanction' sin. You and I should sanction the sinner. There is a big difference. Love people. Hate sin.
"Simply 'wanting' what another has (coveting) is not a sin." - we treat each other as objects, animals. It is NOT spiritual.
"Saying something false about another person is not a sin." - They/we are NOT animals, we are spiritual beings.
"Adultery is not a sin." - Bottom line: ANY malpurpose of sex is outside of God's design.
God only designed it for the confines of marriage. That's it. The rest of us are to remain celibate.
"Fornication is not a sin." -Bottom line: ANY malpurpose of sex is outside of God's design.
God only designed it for the confines of marriage. That's it. The rest of us are to remain celibate.
"Relations with animals is not a sin." - Anybody can blame their craving for something and say "I was born this way." Yes, it is true, we were born in sin. It is making excuses for it that is unacceptable. If all people were Christians, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Scriptures tells us to make no provision for the flesh specifically because it does not identify us. We are not, in fact, born this way.
"Pedophilia is not a sin." - Again, I was not sexual in high school. Attracted? Sure, but NOT the same thing. I was A-sexual.
"Using other people for your own desires is not a sin." - As above, we are not to harm others in our usury. It goes beyond simply money and goods, to the very person themselves. One reason I remained celibate is that I never wanted to misuse another's spouse. If they weren't my spouse, they certainly were another's. All those reasons are love and my every reason against sex is about those who have physical uncontrolled gratification that has harmful consequences. Homosexuality hurts and ruins families of multiples involved.
"Disobeying your parents is not a sin." - Perhaps there is a parent out there that doesn't care. Most of them would choose a normal family for their kids.
"Dishonoring your parents is not a sin." - Doing things that harm self and others is not what parents desire.
"Divorce is not a sin." - Again, the problem is that anything but an organic family is not God's design. We are spiritual beings. Family has a spiritual purpose and design by God.
"Disagreeing with God is not a sin." - The Levitical passages are clear and Jesus read and called the whole O.T. God's word that not one jot or tittle of it would disappear. Only coping mechanism/excuse would seek to take the plain reading and turn it around. You'd do it, I imagine, to accommodate, but accommodating sin is never the pastor's answer. His job is to unite man with his God. You are no longer functioning in that capacity when you favor man in this exchange. I see it as a grave sin.
"They guy who pulled a knife on me wasn't sinning." - I'd think you weren't reading a few of these when you asked for this...
"Older men propositioning me as a child was not a sin." - They were treating me in the flesh and after their own sinful appetites.
"Older men propositioning me as a young adult was not a sin." - Again, nice as all get-out, but propositioning me all the same in a sexual manner. They were denying spirituality and after the flesh and only the flesh. My flesh is for the Lord 1 Corinthians 6:13
:dizzy:

Matthew 5:28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a [man or] woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Our habitual sins very much become multiple. When we harm ourselves and others, we are dishonoring and disobeying our parents, we make excusing behavior that blasphemes God and His Holy Name, we covet and live according to the flesh, etc. It is the job of pastors to help people live on a spiritual plain and walk with their God. Making provisions for the flesh is exactly opposite of a pastor's call and he/she would no longer be God's servant, but a servant of people and the flesh.

 

[PureX]

You have to realize you express your shallow two-dimensional thinking. I'm a bigot because the 'bully' pulled a knife on me and tried to rape me. I've been inappropriately propositioned when sex was the last thing on a young kids mind. THAT is what causes bigotry.

My dad grew up in Cleveland, in neighborhoods where black people lived. As a result he also grew up being very racist, because he was so often mistreated by the black kids he encountered, there.

As a man, however, he eventually came to realize that his experiences were isolated, and had specific causes, and that not all black people were like the black kids he grew up with.

Maybe it's time for you to grow up, too. And realize that your mistreatment as a child by a couple of pedophiles that you presumed to be homosexual, does not condemn all homosexual men as pedophiles.

For whatever reason, you weren't their target. Go figure you'd blame those who were. Again, your pop psychology ONLY applies to you.

Bigotry is still bigotry whether you were victimized as a child or not. Grow up, Lon, and stop using your victimization to victimize others. Because that's what your bigotry does.

I have a friend who was sexually abused by a priest when he was a kid. Now he hates Catholicism, and all priests. But he wasn't victimized by Catholicism, nor by all priests. So his hatred is unfounded. And his victimization does not justify it even if it does explain it. Part of being an adult is taking responsibility for these feelings and dealing with them properly, so that we don't become abusers, ourselves, from the anger and resentment we feel about these past abuses.

And here I thought it was because every one I'd ever met was older and making advances toward a child

Everyone you met did not make such advances. Your reason and memory are being clouded by your unresolved resentment of those few. Maybe it's time for you to forgive those people, instead of wallowing in your resentment and loathing of them the rest of your life. And hating people you don't even know, because of it.

Your pop psych is horribly inaccurate. Some? Yeah but to whitewash the whole? :nono: it is injustice.

The world is fill of injustice. And your hatred of all homosexuals because you encountered a couple of pedophiles as a child is only adding to it.

Cruciform told TOL that it was the homosexual priests that were allowed in much as society is doing now. These were the ones that had been molesting children. Now, as policy, the RC no longer allows homosexual priests. It cost them a lot giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Pedophilia has nothing to do with homosexuality. If it did, no priest would have assaulted the girls. And yet girls were assaulted, too. Boys, mores, because priests had access to boys more often.

Pedophiles are aroused by children's innocence and vulnerability, not by their specific sex. They will prey on children of either sex, depending on access. The priesthood was a good place for pedophiles to hide because they had access to children, usually boys, with little suspicion. It had nothing to do with them being gay. Most pedophiles are not homosexual.

Bigotry is applying experience to all people in that group. You should own the idea that you are a bigot against conservative fundamental Christians. I am not afraid of or hate homosexuals. I am not afraid of or hate adulterers. I am not afraid of, nor hate gluttons.

You think homosexuals are pedophiles. And they are not. You think this because you think the pedophiles that harassed you were homosexual. You are using your personal experience with a couple of presumed homosexuals to condemn all homosexuals as pedophiles.

That's bigotry. And it has nothing to do with conservative Christianity, except that conservative Christianity provides a good cover and excuse for you to imagine that your bigotry is justified. As it does for many other bigots.

Some people sure hate Christians because you think we 'hate or are afraid of' homosexuals. Some people will hate the sinner here on TOL. I think I've a few reasons to do so, but I don't.

You need to forgive what happened to you so you can finally stop playing the victim, like this. It's unbecoming for a grown man to be whining about how everyone "hates him for being a Christian".

Grow up. Be a Christian. And forgive those old trespasses against you. You'll be a better man for it.

 

[ok doser]

Homosexuality is not a sin.

you're right


it's an abomination

 

[ok doser]

The whole point of this thread was to spread the lie that all homosexuals are pedophiles.

you sir, are a retard

 

[Lon]

Bigotry is still bigotry whether you were victimized as a child or not. Grow up, Lon, and stop using your victimization to victimize others. Because that's what your bigotry does.

:yawn: Thank you Mr. Arm-chair psych lain:

I have a friend who was sexually abused by a priest when he was a kid. Now he hates Catholicism, and all priests. But he wasn't victimized by Catholicism, nor by all priests. So his hatred is unfounded. And his victimization does not justify it even if it does explain it. Part of being an adult is taking responsibility for these feelings and dealing with them properly, so that we don't become abusers, ourselves, from the anger and resentment we feel about these past abuses.

Time for your lesson. You are nobody's guru. You are opinionated and your opinion is most often shallow or altogether wrong. One or the other.

Everyone you met did not make such advances. Your reason and memory are being clouded by your unresolved resentment of those few. Maybe it's time for you to forgive those people, instead of wallowing in your resentment and loathing of them the rest of your life. And hating people you don't even know, because of it.

Not only do I reject your armchair trash, I've already told you I'm not a hater.

The world is fill of injustice. And your hatred of all homosexuals because you encountered a couple of pedophiles as a child is only adding to it.

Your arm-chair psychology is childish AND you don't listen very well. I already told you I've gotten to the other end of this issue.
Attempted amateur counseling atf is daft.

Pedophilia has nothing to do with homosexuality. If it did, no priest would have assaulted the girls. And yet girls were assaulted, too. Boys, mores, because priests had access to boys more often.

lain: Yeah, that's why the RC no longer allows the former... You are a shallow and biased man and easily duped by media and ad hoc movements. Good company for the mindless drones though.

You think homosexuals are pedophiles. And they are not. You think this because you think the pedophiles that harassed you were homosexual. You are using your personal experience with a couple of presumed homosexuals to condemn all homosexuals as pedophiles.

You realize NAMBLA is yet associated with them? Still listed with them in a good many endeavors? No? Thought not.

That's bigotry. And it has nothing to do with conservative Christianity, except that conservative Christianity provides a good cover and excuse for you to imagine that your bigotry is justified. As it does for many other bigots.

:nono: Nice arm-chair try.

You need to forgive what happened to you so you can finally stop playing the victim, like this. It's unbecoming for a grown man to be whining about how everyone "hates him for being a Christian".

Grow up. Be a Christian. And forgive those old trespasses against you. You'll be a better man for it.

Sure, lets let all the thieves out of prison too :dizzy: You are a goofy man trying too hard to do what you are not qualified to do. You should stop, but you won't. When you read your Bible regularly and understand it, come back and talk to me. Until then, you will remain the ad hoc consistently wrong amateur you've always been.

In a nutshell: I've already told you a bunch of what you've 'tried' to counsel me on. You are a horrible listener and your advice is useless and pointless. You have a horrible bias and obtrusion that comes out in your every conversation.

 

[PureX]

Thank you Mr. Arm-chair psych

You're welcome.

Time for your lesson. You are nobody's guru. You are opinionated and your opinion is most often shallow or altogether wrong. One or the other.

Well, that's how you would see it if I were right, and you just didn't want to face up to it. And since it was you that felt the need to interject yourself into this discussion, I think that's the more likely option. Thou dost protest a little too loudly.

Not only do I reject your armchair trash, I've already told you I'm not a hater.

Bigotry is a form of hate, because it slanders and belittles it's targets. If you don't hate or loathe homosexuals, why are you slandering them in your heart and mind with lies about how they're all pedophiles?

Your arm-chair psychology is childish AND you don't listen very well. I already told you I've gotten to the other end of this issue.

Then why are you still using it to justify your bigotry? You're claims of having gotten past it ring hollow in the face of your obvious bias and loathing.

You are a shallow and biased man and easily duped by media and ad hoc movements. Good company for the mindless drones though.

And you are looking for excuses to blame me, or Catholics, or whomever, so you won't have to face your own unresolved resentment and bigotry.

You realize NAMBLA is yet associated with them? Still listed with them in a good many endeavors? No? Thought not.

More bigoted lies and slander from "conservative Christians". As the bile just keeps on oozing out of that festering wound that you claim has healed.

 

[musterion]

Complementarianism is its own best evidence. Only perverts argue with it.

 

[Lon]

If you don't hate or loathe homosexuals, why are you slandering them in your heart and mind with lies about how they're all pedophiles?

I didn't. You don't listen well and are in love with your own voice.

You're claims of having gotten past it ring hollow in the face of your obvious bias and loathing.

Ad hoc inept assumptions are like that... lain:

More bigoted lies and slander from "conservative Christians". As the bile just keeps on oozing out of that festering wound that you claim has healed.

Wow. Just wow. Somebody is definitely a bigot against Christian though. So you aren't as well read. No reason to flame out on me. I read a couple of articles in the Advocate that still lists them as associate and with their citations. They still wave banners at the parades, etc.

The only thing I have is a bible for authority. You?

 

[musterion]

I for one never said all sodomites are also pedophiles.

However, I do believe far more of them than they admit would seduce and rape a kid if they knew they could get away with it.