That wacky nature she's always causing trouble. I had nature over for dinner the other night and she spilled wine all over the carpet.
Who would have thought she was sneaking babies into wombs?? :idunno:
Oh the irony. :rotfl:
Abortion and The Holocaust....Differences?
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Who would have thought she was sneaking babies into wombs?? :idunno:
Keep your day job, Knight!
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Instead of saying "lying misquote" it would have been more helpful if you would have just simply said "When you said "X" I had hard time believing you because..." Using communication like this will open a lot of doors with friends, loved ones and especially members of your immediate family.
I don't know what you are exactly talking about. I can be incredibly dense at times and I confess I am left in the dark here. Please be specific. I crave respectful criticism; in fact, it is one of the main ways that I learn new information.
If you are pointing out some hypocrisy in me, know that I need to be aware of it and if I have been hypocritical I will be totally accountable for it. As any careful reader of the New Testament knows full well, Jesus had a lot[/] to say about hypocrisy.
It won't be the first OR the last time I blunder into some uninformed thinking. But I have to say that your prescience and arrogance at knowing how the infinite divine God that created us feels about my own Christian faith life, and deems to somehow "prove" your own pinched and narrow view with your own cherry-picked theology is astonishing to me.
I never fail to think that folks like you are turning the Christianity I and millions of others love into something that Jesus would reject. In fact, I doubt he would even recognize what became of his teachings today.
The Holocaust killed humans that were capable of
fighting back, but too passive, preoccupied,
and unorganized to assess the threat and prepare
an effective defense.
Abortion is the killing of utterly helpless human
beings that are totally incapable of defending
their own fragile life.
BTW, what most American Christians do not know is that nonviolent protest worked every time it was tried against the Nazis during the Second World War.
In fact, war criminal Adolf Eichmann who was tried and executed in Israel admitted to prosecutors that his "final solution" was basically a failure in the Netherlands.
Calling human beings like terrorists, immigrants and gays as a "disease," "vermin" or "inhuman" is hardly pro-life. The hypocrisy of the anti-abortionists is well known and the underlying truth of it is usually dealt with by blaming and dehumanizing others.
My own opinion, of course. See posts #106, #115, # 138
You included the above statement (in yellow) in a quote box attributed to me. I never said that. It is a lie to imply that I did. You implied that I did by including it in the quote box (attributed to me, which would be untrue).
I was not trying to point out hypocrisy in you, only dishonesty in attributing to me the decidedly wicked statement (in yellow...above).
But….since you asked so nicely:
Then, just twenty posts later...same thread:
You likened God’s judgement in Revelation to the “ethnic cleansing,” “revenge,” and “murder” (post #157) that Hitler espoused. You even had the temerity to imply that Hitler’s ideas were less egregious! If calling your statement blasphemous is pinched and narrow, I’m blessed to be on that path.
The "christianity" that you, and millions of others love, is largely responsible for the tragedy of abortion. Hitler claimed a similar "christianity" to justify The Holocaust.
Oy vey! Yet another similarity! We’re looking for differences!!!
Thank you THall. This is indeed a difference.
While the Jews had the capability to not only fight, but to have the presence of mind
and capability to escape before the onslaught (which many did),
unborn babies have neither.
While this is a difference, it also serves as a further indictment of the evil of abortion. Victimizing humans even more vulnerable and helpless than the Jews.
Still in the victim blaming business then. It's not uncommon for people, faced with evil, to be almost baffled and unable to process it. That said, the problem the Jewish population faced in Germany was that prior to the violence it had been isolated and stripped of power and means. Jews were not only facing one of the most efficient and powerful military forces in the world, but a mostly hostile population as well.
People should read Gilbert's The Holocaust: The Jewish Tragedy.
In every ghetto, in every deportation train, in every labor camp, even in the death camps, the will to resist was strong, and took many forms. Fighting with the few weapons that would be found, individual acts of defiance and protest, the courage of obtaining food and water under the threat of death, the superiority of refusing to allow the Germans their final wish to gloat over panic and despair.
Here's a link to a free treatment.
There were any number of armed uprisings against the Nazis by those same Jews. To write off that inhumanity by tainting the victims with some vestige of guilt is beyond wrong headed.
You folks get to the point where you rage, rage and rage and forget to have a sense of humor.
The fishing joke was a...JOKE. Anyone else would have seen it as not having a thing to do with anyone on this forum.
And I would hope you read my comments more carefully. Do you read the Bible the same way? I didn't say you personally "call human beings terrorists." Did I?
Does it say "King Cobra calls human beings whatever?"
No it does not. Stop being so sensitive and put upon.
Good Lord, man.
--NO ONE is pro-abortion and few are fully pro-life.
--And the debate from your end seems ironically de-humanizing.
--"Pro-Life" and "Pro-Choice" don't even represent most people.
--And I have mentioned this many times: your pro-life stance comes across as clearly disingenuous.
Now, on abortion...I don't think an attempt is being made to kill all the unborn in the world. I don't even think the sort of people who slaughter these innocents realize they're killing human beings...an evil law allows them a distance, a way of considering their right instead of the life they're taking. And it gives those who support them the same abstraction to hide behind.
Abortion is then a different sort of evil, less obvious because it relies on slight of hand. We look at the individual exercising an alleged right and miss the individual being denied right.
Abortion is then a different sort of evil, less obvious because it relies on slight of hand. We look at the individual exercising an alleged right and miss the individual being denied right.
I should have been more clear. I meant to say that I likened John of Patmos fantastical and paranoid imagery of Nero's Rome to ethnic cleansing and murder. Since Adolf Hitler favored the same, in that respect they are the same.
And good luck and Godspeed on your path.
I do not justify abortion. I believe I am just more aware of and empathetic with the medical and social circumstances that often surround it.
Like it or not, abortion is being done, has been done and will be done by women and men all over the world.
Capital punishment, war, genocide, murder and violence.
Remind those who continue to self-identify as pro-life Christians to remember this.
He's right.
As to total scale of the slaughter, there is no comparison.
But to not compare the two, lessens the memory of those lost to The Holocaust...and the lessons to be learned from it.
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