Quetzal
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All of them... all 1.6 billion of them are being held into Islam against their will?
9/11 American Muslims
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Of course you are aware of what the Qur'an says about apostates?
Quetzal
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Didn't answer my question.
By this standard you're fine being judged by the conduct of any other Christian the world over, correct? What's sauce for the goose and all that.
Did I say I was fine with it? You do leap, on a regular basis, to conclusions.
Quetzal
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The point is, fear is a factor in Christianity as well. "Believe what we do or else" sort of deal.
My point being that consistency requires you to apply the same standard to yourself and your brethren. If you're going to assume to know the minds of Muslims the world over and judge them universally on what grounds would you object to a Muslim doing the same to you?
brewmama
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That would be more logical and palatable if we stopped giving (much more) money to Muslim countries.
"Result: Seven of the top 11 recipients of foreign aid in 2009 can be described as Arab, Muslim or both: Afghanistan ($8.8 billion in aid), Iraq ($2.3 billion), Egypt ($1.8 billion), Pakistan ($1.8 billion), Sudan ($1.2 billion), the Palestinian territories ($1 billion), and Jordan ($816 million). Together, those entities received $17.7 billion."
http://www.politifact.com/texas/sta...-ron-paul-says-arab-and-muslim-nations-get-t/
brewmama
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Do you actually think they don't?
I posited some verifiable information. The Qur'an mandates death for apostasy.
As for the mind of anyone? I do not claim to be prescient.
Do you not see evidence of Muslims judging Christians and sentencing them to death?
I have not seen evidence of Christians slaughtering Muslims specifically because of their religion.
CherubRam
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CherubRam
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Hadith
Sahih Bukhari
Narrated Ikrima: Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
Sahih Bukhari
Narrated Ikrima: Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
I'm not denying much of Islam is despicable. What I'm saying is that someone living in a glass house better be mindful of stones.
Well that's a relief.
Of course. Which makes claims of "persecution" by those safe in the west that much more insulting and demeaning.
Now, no. Yet, no. I do see an extremely disturbing and growing streak of xenophobia here that's threatening to reach a peak sooner rather than later. And the fact that Christianity's unable to exert its worst impulses--as opposed to a cousin religion with eight centuries of catching up to do--is really beside the point.
drbrumley
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CherubRam
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He bids a lot
You're ideas are wrong, and you make up "facts" to make yourself feel more comfortable.
The things you describe do happen, but they are not true of all Muslims. By why let facts interfere with bigotry?
As am I, I suppose. And anybody else who disagrees with you.
It turns out that people can be wrong, or think differently than you, without Satan's intervention. But understanding that would force you to actually think about your beliefs.