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    Beloved57 are you sure you’re chosen?

    We are now at a point where I don't even know what your question is. The basic difference between Mid-Acts Dispensationalism and regular dispensationalism is that we see that the previous dispensation was still in effect at Acts 2 (when most other dispensationalists claim the dispensation of...
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    Beloved57 are you sure you’re chosen?

    So if they're babes they're saved, right? If so, then where do we disagree? That's just so awesome. I've given that book away a few times. It only ever gets read about half the time so you've made my day!
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    Beloved57 are you sure you’re chosen?

    I'm not ignoring the rest of your post, this bit just seems to get to the nib of it though, so... Serving God in our own power IS indulging our flesh! As for the rest of what you've said, you do a terrific job of establishing the fact that our salvation is a gift and that no works are required...
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    Beloved57 are you sure you’re chosen?

    What you are asking for cannot be answered in a post. It is at least a book length kind of question to answer. Read The Plot and you'll have a pretty firm handle on what we believe and why we believe it. Until then, understand that, at best, you are talking out your rear end about things you...
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    Beloved57 are you sure you’re chosen?

    Now that I can get behind! "The Plot" is the very epitome of sound reason applied to God's word!
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    Beloved57 are you sure you’re chosen?

    No, I don't take ANYTHING as authoritative, especially in the catholic sense of the word, aside from God Himself, His written word and sound reason. Is it good information? Yes, I suspect that it is. Is it authoritative? Not a chance. You should understand that it is something of a minor...
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    Beloved57 are you sure you’re chosen?

    I agree totally, I'm just not convinced that an understanding of this incredibly important truth is required to get one saved in the first place. It seems it is more an issue of how to live the Christian life once your saved rather than actually getting saved. I'm still open to the idea that I'm...
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    Beloved57 are you sure you’re chosen?

    That all those six points are, Idolater! It's nothing at all but a fleshing out of Romans 10:9-10. Any disagreement with a syllable of it is to either misunderstand or outright reject Romans 10:9-10. Stupidity. You declare it both superfluous and necessary. Please try to follow your own logic...
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    Beloved57 are you sure you’re chosen?

    Stop talking about things you know nothing about. The single most effective, most evangelical, most stridently anti-sin / pure living, most people loving and most intellectually rational congregation of believers I've ever encountered happens to MAD! You are really off to a bad start here with...
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    Beloved57 are you sure you’re chosen?

    I wish everyone understood that it is not necessary to respond to every point. All that is needed is for the response to be substantive, which yours is. I don't disagree with anything you've said here necessarily. It just seems to me that my having intentionally left out any mention of good...
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    Beloved57 are you sure you’re chosen?

    Okay fine. I'm all ears... This is not an auspicious start.
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    Beloved57 are you sure you’re chosen?

    Indeed! There are many wolfs in sheep's clothing. Some better disguised than others. I agree completely. I'd say that such a list is best shared among believers as a way of sharpening one's understanding of the gospel. Since its so narrowly focused, it doesn't feel like I great way to introduce...
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    Beloved57 are you sure you’re chosen?

    No, that's an over statement. I mean, the difference between believers and non-believers is belief in the gospel, right? Idolator's evasiveness is tantamount to a denial of the gospel itself and so that's hardly a meaningful line to draw, right? I mean, that's already the line between believers...
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    Beloved57 are you sure you’re chosen?

    :) The question that I was attempting to answer in the original thread is what must be minimally believed in order to be "begotten of the gospel" as you put it. Those six points was my answer to that question. Is there something more you think must be added to what I've included or anything...
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    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    You are the one who isn't answering questions. Non-sequitur. One could not accept Paul's gospel (no need for quotes - Paul is the one who calls it that, not us.) without repentance. There is no sin so egregious that Christ's blood cannot cover it. You are not only an idiot, you're a...
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    Beloved57 are you sure you’re chosen?

    Based on this, which I do NOT take to be definitive for all Catholics, I can know, without question, that you are not a Christian except in the Catholic sense of the word. You certainly are not a Christian in the biblical sense, in the SAVED sense of that word. No true believer could even...
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    Beloved57 are you sure you’re chosen?

    Well, if you ask me, that's what I'm doing. That's sort of the point of the exercise, right? I started that thread to provide an explicit answer to the question, "What is Paul's gospel?" That's an excellent question but what I've driving at presumes that a person has believed all six points of...
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    Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

    That isn't a point, it's you being an idiot. Answer the question. What does believing that the body of Christ started with Paul have to do with ethics? Why would my ethics be any different than yours? Why would my understanding of justice be any different? Why would my understand of love be any...
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    Beloved57 are you sure you’re chosen?

    Excellent! That's a good starting point. Which four (or more) points do you say are superfluous? For ease of reference, I'll re-post the six points here and I'll included a very brief explanation as to why I believe they are necessary... God exists and is the Creator of all things and He is...
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    Dinosaurs are fake and leads to atheism!

    No it isn't.
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