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Happy Fathers Day Too all you great Dad's on TOL :salute: --Dave

The up and down pattern in the Bay video is occuring within too short a time frame to be the tide coming in and going out, then in and out, again. --Dave

As I'm coming to understand atmospheric conditions there is one that is always left out that has to be factored in. There's molecules of water that are continuously rising up from water/lakes/oceans, that on very hot days increases rapidly putting more moisture in the air, especially close the...

When anything (ship or city) is hidden behind the curvature of the earth, and an image of it is lifted upward from behind the curvature so that we can see what was before hidden from view, as the two illustrations show, we have a refracted image of it. We are not seeing the actual ship or city...

We have a contradiction. We are told we can get both an upside down image from warm air over colder and an upright image? Calling an upside down image a superior mirage and a right side up image a refraction does not change the fact that we are dealing with the same atmospheric conditions for...

Explanations are not proofs. We have a contradiction that so far no one has addressed. Do we get an upside down image from warm air over colder or an upright image? You can't get both an upside down image and a right side up image from warm air over cold air. Right? Next we'll look at the...

We've been told the Chicago Skyline is hidden below the curvature of the earth 50 miles away. When we see it we have been told it's a mirage, so I looked into mirages. Then I was told it was a refraction not a mirage. So I looked up refractions. You said it was looming: "How can you watch the...

Yes, you have made many good arguments. It could also be said that many Copernican's is not a validation of heliocentrism. But I see your point. I'll look at "Looming" next, thanks. Here is my argument about refraction. How do answer it. Do you see the contradict in these two pics? Do we...

Go away if you have nothing intelligent to say. --Dave

I want you work on those answers and stop regurgitating the same old answers with your emotional crap. You can do better. I'm working on FE answers to make them better understood. I'm studying what I have not yet answered. And this time I'm working on arguments and not just putting out videos...

Please answer the contradiction. Do you see the contradict in these two pics? Do we get an upside down image from warm air over colder or an up right image? You can't get both an upside down image and a right side up image from warm air over cold air. Equations are not answers, they...

Then I want you to enjoy presenting your "rational" side to this debate. I'm presenting all the arguments made for flat earth, and there is growing number of followers. I would think you all would be very happy to debunk FE. But you all are under the illusion that just presenting arguments for...

In an inferior mirage the surface of the land or water has become hotter than the colder air above it. The surface of warm air, in the distance, acts like a mirror and reflects what's above it. An inferior mirage reflects the sky above as well making it look like very calm water. In a superior...

This is not a dead horse to me, is that OK??? Can I, and I'm not alone, have doubts and say I see good arguments from both sides without being judged by some of you as.... The Last year and a half I've been working 8 to 12 hour days it's not like I had as much time to study this as you might...

I'm showing a flaw in the curved earth model, Chicago skyline seen from more than 50 miles away, and you want me to follow the sun as if that has anything to do with seeing the actual Chicago skyline when it's supposed to be hidden behind .3 miles of curvature. The argument for the skyline...

Who is the lunatic... --Dave P.S. I'm not going to rush to a conclusion. Just because you and others are absolutely sure about this others of us are not and we are not lunics for having doubts.

I had a good question and you had a good answer. Thanks, this is what makes a good debate. My rebutal: But, because refractions can occur on a flat plane they are not in themselves evidence of a curved earth. Refractions are not denied by FE model, the issue is seeing a refraction with a...

Only one can be true, yes! Who is dumb? One who thinks there is a good reason to debate FE vs GE or one who does not think there is a good reason to debate this? Answer: The one who thinks there is no reason to debate this but debates it anyway. I don't mind your position because I think...

I'm not taking offence, I'm taking a position in a debate. What is it about a debate you don't get? --Dave

I'm not ignoring evidence from either side. I'm exploring and studying all arguments. I have said many times that both sides have good arguments as I see it at this time. I'm also trying to form arguments rather than just show videos, that takes time. Both sides claim "clear-cut" evidence and...