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Just other ways of saying the same thing. Ad hominem arguments prove nothing. --Dave

I would conclude from what you're saying that we never see anything exactly where it is. Is everything we see actually a little to the left at times, or a little to the right at other times, or a little up, or a little down? Things close would not be that far off, but the greater the distance...

I disagree, and I don't think I'm a lunatic for exploring this. --Dave

Saying I'm not thinking clearly is what atheists, pantheists, evolutionists, liberals, timelessness theists, etc., say about you and me. I'm simply not taking for granted the standard arguments for a globed earth and arguing FE arguments to compare them. --Dave

Here is a fish in water that we know is not where we actually see it from outside of the water. But if we are in the water we will see the fish exactly where it is. A city refracted over a curved earth is "not" at all like seeing a fish (or straw) that is in water from outside of the water...

What is a mirage? A mirage is an optical illusion caused by atmospheric conditions, especially the appearance of a sheet of water in a desert or on a hot road caused by the "refraction of light" from the sky by heated air. If the Chicago Skyline is actually hidden beneath the curvature of the...

I understand your argument is based on a plane/flat earth model and not a globe. I understand triangulation I just didn't know it was also called the Pythagorean theorem. I though his theorem involved much more than just basic triangulation. I have not ignored your argument. I've acknowledged...

So we have a belief that the Chicago skyline is below a curved earth and the only reason we can see the skyline is because of atmospheric refraction that produces a mirage of the city skyline. We have a counter belief that we see the actual Chicago skyline and that it's not a mirage. Which...

I'm not going to respond to your questioning, it's leading the witness regardless if it's a trial or not. Address my commentary about mirages by making your point, I'm not going to make it for you. --Dave

I understand triangulation and your argument for a globed earth. I also understand perspective and mirages that indicate a flat earth. I'm sorry you don't see my dilemma as legitimate. --Dave

"Leading the witness" is not a valid way to make a point. --Dave

I still like you anyway. --Dave

We're talking about mirages on land and over water/sea, not spoons. I just explained and given examples of inferior mirages and later this evening I'll explain and give examples of superior mirages which appear above in the sky and give upside down images of things it reflects. --Dave

I know what it's called. It's called a mirage. What do we know about mirages? We know the ground or sky can seem to disappear and become like a mirror. Inferior mirages Here is the most typical mirage. The area that looks like water is not water, or a small lake, is not real, it is a...

Still looking for that one punch knockout. --Dave

It's a fact that the Chicago skyline is visible across Lake Michigan and is not a mirage. --Dave

If I knew of evidence that would convince me of a spinning, orbiting, globe I would probably not be doing this. There exists evidence for both globe and flat earth. There are today both geocentric believers, flat earth believers as well as heliocentric believers. We also are seeing the...

The Chicago Skyline That the Chicago skyline can be seen from 35 to 50 miles away over Lake Michigan from Indiana is not in dispute by anyone. The dispute is if it's a mirage or not. This photo shows that the Chicago skyline with a superior, upside down image or reflection, mirage over it...

The perspective argument includes a horizon that limits how far we can see. Perspective + Horizon + Small Close Sun = flat earth --Dave