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My belief system will not come tumbling down because it's not built an any particular cosmological model. I have stated many times why I think flat earth has merit. But what do I know about myself :idunno: --Dave

There is no answer for this, it's clearly an inconsistency in a theory. Gravity is a natural mechanism that God created to pull planets toward each other and he personally causes the planets to spin and orbit without having created a natural mechanism to accomplish the task. --Dave

Your job is to explain and defend your position including the math. If you cannot explain why the test in the video did not factor the height of the observer, the telescope in this case, don't tell me that I have to figure out the math that you think explains it. That's your job. I don't think...

Helium is lighter than air so it goes up, but you knew that so why ask? Water falls it is not "pulled down". That things fall down is because they have weight is an answer that needs no other explanation. The spinning globe obviously needs another answer, flat earth does not. --Dave

Yes Stuu, Biblical Copernican cosmologists are inconsistent with the cause of movement/inertia and gravity. --Dave

It could be said we don't need a natural mechanism called gravity since God simply moves planets and keeps them in their path. If we credit God for moving/inertia/momentum the planets why disregard the power of God and imagine a natural mechanism called gravity? --Dave

I've criticised many works and have explained why including this curvature test. If you think the curvature calculator I used is wrong then it's up to you explain it not me. --Dave

Exactly. You would not have anything that had weight. Things of mass and density have weight that air cannot hold up which is why things fall to the ground, no special force (gravity) needed on a flat stationary earth. --Dave

Whether one is a Calvinist or an Open Theist has little to do with whether they are Flat Earth or not is exactly my point. We shouldn't worry how people feel when we debate. If we do we will stop debating all topics not just this one. That people get offended should not stop us and that people...

Good point. As a Creationist how do you explain the movement of the planets? God no doubt created gravity but what mechanism did God create that moves the planets. Gravity can't both move planets and hold them in an orbit which is why for an atheist the big bang moves them and gravity holds, or...

Just explain how much is blocked in relation to the height of the observer at a 6 mile distance according to how you think it should be calculated. I used the standard method that many use from the website I gave. Why is it wrong? Just explain it. --Dave

Take away mass, take away density and what do you have? --Dave

As long as you can "chuckle" about it fine with me. I wish Clete could do the same. No one said "work" didn't happen. What was designed and built just did not end up where it was intended. --Dave

No problem :rotfl: --Dave

Just think of how many have been duped by Calvinism, and think of all the Calvinist fathers we open theists have offended. I think it best we just keep all the duped and all the fathers out of our debates. --Dave

The youtube video is the official NASA recording of the moon/lem landing. Watching it proves the impossibility of it being real. They could not get the count down correct and you think they nailed the landing while moving downward at an angle then suddenly making a vertical landing. Seems...

That we do not all float in space on a flat stationary earth is easily empirically validated by the physical facts that mass plus density equals weight. Tesla believed electromagnetism is the cause of attraction not gravity. Imagining an invisible force that holds planets in orbit is not...

Who has not been dishonored or disrespected by someone making a counter claim? And the arguments for not having been to the moon are supported by evidence and gravity is simply a faith based idea not a scientific discovery. You can argue that you don't think the evidence is compelling for the...

You're losing me on this. When I have time I will look at your other calculation and try to understand what you're saying. --Dave

I respect your love for your Dad and your desire to honor him, but this debate is not about him. Accusing Patrick and I of insulting your father by this debate is unfair and unwarranted. Defeat flat earth arguments, defend the globe, and please leave your love for your father out of this...