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Is it possible for this atmospheric condition that you are describing, a very dense layer of air trapped above the water filled with a high volume of water molecules, to block the view of what is in the distance, say 50 miles away, and appear as if it were water. --Dave

Your drawing conclusions from your own presumptions. A case for flat or globe must be built first on what we can know from what we can observe without contradictions. I'm building a case for flat earth, if it is possible to do so, from the ground up not from the sky down. The earth itself...

The earth is flat and we never went to the moon. The two phrases are actually heads and tails from the same coin, I'm sure you remember the words from an old song, "you can't have one without the other." If we did go to the moon then all that NASA informs us of is basically true and the...

Flat earth must first establish what perspective is and how it affects what we can and cannot see before we look at the sun. How do you explain perspective? It seems that only a limited perspective is acceptable for globe earth. I'd say globe earth understands what perspective is but rejects...

You don't have to watch all of it, just enough of it to get the point. All views as we elevate show the horizon staying at eye level and absolutely no video shows the horizon dropping down further and further away the higher we go. If the horizon stays at eye level then by prediction we are...

Raw Uncut High Altitude Balloon Launch Above California Do you see the horizon fall away and go down as the balloon goes up? Or, do you see the horizon stay at eye level and rise up as the balloon goes up? --Dave

Sunlight is said to take 8 minutes to get here. So where we see the sun is not where it actually is. It's 8 minutes ahead of where we see it in globe model. The sunlight coming through the earth's atmosphere is said to be refracted also making the sun not where we see it. The sun is below or...

Not to scale and not to perspective as we will see. Do we see the sun where it actually is? No, we don't. --Dave

I'm still waiting for someone to comment on this. Ok, here is what I'm talking about. We know we are not walking up hill even though the horizon is at our eye level. The clouds in the distance are not on the ground they are above the ground the same distance as they are directly over our...

I have explained why that would not be the case since you did not factor the distance in height would have the same effect as the distance along the flat plain of earth. --Dave

Even in the globe model the distance of the sun from the viewer is greater at noon than at sunrise and sunset. The point I made was not to be exact but to answer the argument that the sun would look much smaller at sunrise and sunset than at noon. A low small sun over a flat earth would not...

The point is, regardless of distance, the sun over a flat earth will look relatively the same over head as it does at the horizon. The change in size would not be as dramatic has been argued by critics. --Honest Dave

Ok, the ground rises up and things get smaller the further away they get. Imagine the tennis ball in the pic rising up over your head. What happens? It shrinks in size proportionately to the distance along the flat surface. A tennis ball directly in front of you 10 feet away appears the same...

The problem is that we already know what the phenomenon, atmospheric condition, is for an upside down mirage to occur and it's the same condition that an upright refraction occurs from--warm air passing over cold air. The question is not reflection vs looming it's warm air passing over cold air...

Ok, here is what I'm talking about. We know we are not walking up hill even though the horizon is at our eye level. The clouds in the distance are not on the ground they are above the ground the same distance as they are directly over our head. Maybe not exactly but you get the point. The...

Put your money on the table and make a comment on what perspective is if I'm wrong. --Dave

Unless perspective is the reason, or one of the reasons, that we cannot see very far into the distance. --Dave

Perspective means the earth beneath our feet appears to rise up in the distance when actually it does not. Things in the sky appear to fall downward before us in the distance when they actually do not. --Dave

That would be a debate but in another thread. --Dave

You can't deny logic. --Dave