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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Well, okay but the conservation of momentum is only one of the most tested and thoroughly proven concepts in all of science, so no pressure trying to disprove it or anything. There are lots of reasons, not the least of which is that God hides Himself. (Isiah 45:15) Not only that but because...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    This is only true if you accept that the universe wasn't created and even then it's only an intuition. There are all kinds of things in nature that are contrary to what we might expect. This is why a hypothesis must be tested. Why is that funny? I mean I understand what you mean, I just don't...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Dave, I really cannot tell whether you are just being intentionally obtuse in an attempt to convey the arguments made by mindless flat-earthers or what. Nothing you've said here has anything to do with explaining why the Coriolis Effect implies a contradiction with the notion that the atmosphere...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    This is a claim, not an argument. In what way would the Coriolis effect, which is caused by the spinning of the Earth, contradict the idea that the atmosphere is moving with the Earth? There would be a Coriolis Effect even if there were no atmosphere at all. It's the conservation of angular...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    All the arguments listed below are paraphrases of the arguments made in the above video. Argument 1: The Earth cannot be spinning on its axis or orbiting the Sun because we don't feel any movement and because the atmosphere doesn't come flying off the planet. We don't "feel" the movement...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I get that, which is why I still want to participate. I admit that I sometimes let it stray from my mind but I do get it. Okay, fine but in a real trial, I'd at least be able to look over at the jury box to get a feel for how they're reacting to the case being presented. Can you just try to...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    "If Dave is flying at 800km/h how come he can only see his movement. If the land is moving at double his speed, why can't he see it?" Because motion is always relative to a frame of reference. His 800 km/h flight speed is relative to the ground. In a larger frame of reference, his 800 km/h...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I've not only watched them but I've made arguments that directly refute them with both words and videos that YOU HAVE NOT REFUTED - period. You've barely responded to them at all and when you have it has been to either restate your position or post yet another video that makes similar, if not...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Except that he doesn't actually decieve the whole world. It's a figure of speach. Hyperbole. Just as "all of Israel" wasn't baptized by Jesus, Satan hasn't and never will "decieve the whole world". This makes no sense. Being willingly ignorant is one thing, being decieved is quite another. One...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Not even Satan deceives people for no reason, Dave. Further, Satan is not a magician. He cannot maintain such a colossal, omni-national, multigeneration conspiracy. How do you know this? You think Satan is the one who came up with the theory of evolution? Or are you just giving Satan...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    That doesn't speak to a motive that thousands upon thousands of people across hundreds of nations, many of whom are enemies of each other and all of whom must have some motive sufficient to cause them to spend billions upon billions of dollars faking evidence, bribing and extorting and doing...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Add another several dozen people (chase plane pilots) who have to be in on the deception. There's no conceivable motive.
  13. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    They follow it until its wheels hit the ground and then they land at the same airport (i.e. Air Force Base).
  14. Clete

    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    On the contrary, Dave. Meteor showers cannot look like they are coming from the same point in the sky for all observers if the Earth is a flat disk covered by a dome, nor would they be predictable the way they are.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    The chase planes are there for security. The shuttle comes in over international waters where God knows who's Navy is around. I bet the Chicoms would love to "mistake" an unattended American space shuttle for a hostile aircraft.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I've read the entire book more than once. I know what it says and what it claims to be and you have no basis whatsoever for calling it "incompitent". I couldn't care less what you've done on other threads. I will not permit you to highjack this thread. Start a new thread or drop it. In either...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    It's a theory, Thomas. It isn't a peer-reviewed scientific paper. It is a theory presented in laymen's terms because the book is intended for laymen to read. You've gotta take things for what they are and critique them based on what they're intent is. In no case is "incompetent" a fair...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I've taken similar photos with my own camera. It was years ago and the photos are on film (slides actually) and I don't even know where they are now so I can't post them here or else I would. Remember, multiple independent source confirmation. Look it up. Look it up in several places. Look on...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    The guy is trying to convince of something, Dave! You don't have to take anyone's word for it. Listen to it! If he had just stuck with that first video, it would be a harder case to make because that's the one that would be the most convincing. But then he'd have a problem because there are all...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Dave, I had an entire post typed responding to all five of the "arguments" made in this video and when I hit the post button, TOL acted like I wasn't logged in (I never ever log out) and I lost the whole post. The only thing that survived was the photo I imported of the Persied Meteor shower...
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