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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    One of the biggest problems with the idea that the Sun and Moon are close is perspective. Things take up more or less of your field of view depending upon how close or far away they are. One object very close might take up a very large percentage, perhaps even all of your field of view. While...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Hey Dave, What do flat earthers say causes what we refer to as gravity? Why are things attracted to the ground? Why do things fall? I'm certain this was brought up before but it's one horse we haven't beaten to death yet so I thought I'd bring it up again.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    You misunderstand. Much of modern physics, String Theory in particular, is conceptually untestable. It isn't a lack of technology or intelligence; it is that there are large swaths of what passes for science today are fundamentally untestable and will forever be so. It is, I believe, a...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I do not want to debate physics with you but I just wanted to point out that what you've said here is an over statement. There are things which Einstein's theories predict that have been observed and there are aspects of his theory that have proven very useful and on that basis, it can be said...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I don't deny that someone could be honestly confused about the facts surrounding the issue of a flat vs round Earth but to think that random websites that show images of planets (or whatever) are little seedling lies planted by the conspiracy leaders is nut-job city and some of the videos you've...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I totally understand the sentiment and would normally agree but you've gotta read the thread. He's just making the arguments (for now). Trust me. I've had plenty enough history with David to know that he's no idiot.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I think I've demonstrated, not only here in this thread, but over the decades that I've participated in this forum, that I make an argument when one is warranted and ridicule the stupid and insane when that is warranted. Not all ideas are equal and not all deserve our respect. Some ideas really...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    No pics. You'll just have to take my word for it or else go to Craig's List and buy a cheap telescope and look for yourself. This is what it looks like though (only a lot smaller and less clear - the image in the link is taken with a much higher quality telescope)...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    The videos are lies, not NASA. I have seen both a gibbous and crescent Venus with my own eyes as have countless millions of people all over the world and throughout the history of astronomy beginning with Galileo. How much weight do you ascribe to first person witness testimony? I have seen it...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    No you don't, David. You don't have to prove a hypothesis in order to perform an experiment based upon it. That fact is that if the earth was stationary, they'd have attempted such an observation and would have seen nothing. There would have been no shift in the appearant position of any star...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    If you refuse to give me the gist of the arguments in the videos you post, I refuse to watch them.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I have seen the phases of Venus with my own $50 telescope. If you were to do the observation tonight, you'd see a small crescent sliver. It would be oriented with the ends of the crescent pointed upward (away from the horizon (and the Sun) like a smile.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    NO! It most certainly is not circular! (I did like the pun though!) Before the measurement is made, the word you give it is "hypothesis". You then run the experiment (i.e. take two images, six months apart.) and see if there is a measurable parallax. If there is, then your hypothesis is...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    It isn't purely subjective, Dave. They can indeed empirically measure a star's parallax by taking an image one day and then another 6 months later, using the size of the Earth's orbit to gain sufficient distances between the two observations to produce a measurable parallax. They can then...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Give me the gist of these videos, Dave. That one I just watch and responded to was a stupidity parade. Convince me that they are worth my time by giving me some idea of what the argument is.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    You'd expect to see the circles made by stars in we are under a reflective glass dome. This explanation is only convincing to people who have no ability to think. He refutes the arguments moments after making it. The circles you'd see inside a spherical mirror are ALWAYS THERE!!! You wouldn't...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    One point I want to make about "ad populum" arguments. I've made no such arguments. And Ad Populum argument is one where one attempts to establish a truth claim by appealing to its popularity. "Millions of people can't all be wrong." is the shorthand version of the argument. That is not at...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    There actually is a star at the south celestial pole, it's just not a bright star like Polaris. But whether there is a star in that particular location is irrelevant. The fact that there is a south celestial pole at all is what destroys the flat Earth model. If the Earth is a flat disk, people...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Oh. Well, that's different. I don't know of any off the top of my head aside from the Coriolis Effect and all the related phenomena. That doesn't mean there aren't any but only that I'm still new to the defense of the globe earth model so I've never needed to collect the arguments before. I...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    No. I will not get dragged into a debate about whether the conservation of momentum is a proven fact of science. If you don't believe that then you're hopeless and you're basing your worldview on blind beleifism. You might as well go join the Branch Davidians. It has nothing whatseover to do...
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