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You can see satellite go overhead on every single clear night. They aren't planes. They aren't stars. They're man made satelites that can be predicted to the exact second where they'll be and who can see them. Every single solitary clowdless night. IMPOSSIBLE conspiracy to maintain. Space X...

The only explanation for GPS I've seen on flat-earth websites is that it works off cell phone towers, with no explanation at all of how GPS works even when you have no cell phone reception at all.

Why do you keep saying this? There is nothing that we see that contradicts a spherical Earth! There's all kinds of things we see that contradict the flat Earth model. It is not a thought experiment to say that those who live in the southern hemisphere see a south celestial pole that is not...

Saying it doesn't make it so, Dave. Make an argument.

Is this the beginning of a guilt by association argument? Let's talk about what they do not have in common. People on the flat Earth... 1. would not see the same side of the Moon from every place on Earth. 2. would not see the Moon in the same phase from every place on Earth. 3. would not...

No, it isn't! But then again, if you throw out the idea of gravity, which, aside from its cause, is one of, if not the most tested and well-understood things in all of science, then almost nothing about how the world works is intuitive. Frankly, I think we've beaten the water flow thing like a...

Dave, Why are the two celestial poles? If the Earth is flat, with the stars rotating above the stationary Earth, how can there be two celestial poles and why can't you see Polaris from Chile?

I'll try to fix it in the morning. Another thing I messed up was the metric system. I said millimeters and should have said centimeters. The average slope of the centrifugal bulge of the Earth is 1.34 centimeters per meter. That's still not very much but being off by a factor of ten is a...

Dave, Why are the two celestial poles? One for the north... And a different one for the south... If the Earth is flat, with the stars rotating above the stationary Earth, how can there be two celestial poles and why can't you see Polaris from Chile?

Dave, this sort of argument bothers me greatly. This is flat out dishonesty. I know that you're doing the whole devil's advocate thing but some arguments just aren't even worth putting out there. Up and down are relative terms. That means that up might mean an entire difference thing in one...

Yes, I realize that. In fact, that's why I said what I said in that post. Okay, so let's think this through... The centrifugal force, at no point, is even close to fully counteracting the force of gravity. At best, it modifies its strength and direction. Centrifugal force is always at 90° to...

This is not so.

I don't even think that you're thinking this through as you're saying it. If there is a flat plane then there would be nothing for the buildings to disappear behind. They would just sit directly on the horizon and get smaller and smaller with distance. There is no way that the bottom of the...

Except that they do. Watch the video I posted. It seriously blows everything you've said on this thread about the horizon to bits.

No, it isn't, Dave! I cannot fathom what in the world you're even talking about! First of all, direction is relative - always. Up, on the Earth's surface is away from the center of the globe. Down is the opposite. If someone is on a hill or mountain and I am at the base of that mountain then...

Let's just say that I don't buy it. Maybe it's true but I doubt it. The centrifugal force is just not big enough. Gravity vs. Centrifugal Force

Sorry JR, I'm with Dave on this point. The Mississippi River does not run uphill in the way you're suggesting. The centrifugal force caused by the Earth's rotation is only something like .03% of the force of gravity. Not nearly enough to cause the effect you are suggesting. The overall course...

Dave, If the Earth is flat, why isn't the Chicago skyline visible from across Lake Michigan all the time? It's plenty big enough and plenty tall enough to remain visible for hundreds of miles across a flat earth, but most of the time (nearly all of the time) it isn't visible at all.

The video linked to in my last post gives my proposed experiment new life! Now I just have to figure out how to pay for the equipment I'd need to pull it off. I'll also have to figure out how to convince someone to help me with it without making myself sound like a complete lunatic! :kookoo:

I found another video the debunks the flat earth theory. It's the best one I've seen yet when it comes to just really great, straightforward arguments as well as excellent production quality. This video is the first in a series of videos on the subject but this one focuses on the horizon and...