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Dave- you are consistently ignoring this point. It has been raised by others as well.

Dave, Dave, Dave. It is an answer. Just saying it isn't doesn't constitute a logical response. You are simply ignoring the GE side, while pretending that you are being logical and considering all the facts etc. And then you act surprised and self-righteous when you're accused of intellectual...

Dave, you have had most of your arguments debunked a hundred times in this thread, but to no avail. The "seeing Chicago from far" issue is about some odd optics effects, and is not really relevant to the flat earth issue. It is a convenient point to hide behind, and a way to show one's...

Dave, One generally cannot see Chicago from such a distance. Even on clear days. I can never see Acre across the bay from the beach here. Never. I've never heard of anybody seeing that. Even on clear days. Why? On the other hand, from up on the mountain here I can see Acre easily. How does...

Dave, How can one tell when another person is being irrational in his arguments?

Dave, the question you keep ignoring is: If the earth is flat, why don't we see far objects all the time?

Dave, if the reason you can sometimes see Chicago at a distance was because the earth is flat then: You should always be able to see objects at a great distance. But we can't. Why?

Nobody is saying that the refraction effect is evidence for curved Earth. You raised the fact that sometimes one can see Chicago from far away as an objection to the global earth idea, and it was explained to you why and how that happens. It is a non-issue. What is an issue is that you haven't...

Dave, just throwing out a statement that someone is STUPID is not a valid form of argument. It is just a silly insult. But when someone ignores mountains of clear-cut evidence, then he is not using his cognitive abilities as well as he should. That is what you are doing.

The other side of the coin is that not being able to see something below the curvature of the earth under normal conditions proves that the earth is not flat.

Exactly what I am asking you. What evidence would count as that "one-punch knockout"? Or does it not exists. Pick a number, 1-5....

Dave, you didn't answer the question. Possible answers include things like: 1. If you could show me that the sun disappears bit by bit, from the bottom up, when it sets, that would convince me. 2. If you could show me, using basic geometry, that only a globe model fits the fact that one can see...

Dave- what evidence would convince you?

No, I don't have to. Your actions speak plainly.

I have better things to do with my time.

Dave, I know what you claim you are doing. But what you in fact are doing is illogical, and not a fair form of discussion at all. You pretend one thing, and your actions speak loudly of another.

Basically here: Dave is convinced that the Bible says the Earth if flat. Since the Bible was written by God, and since Dave's understanding of the Bible is also given by God (or so it seems), this flat Earth idea is a religious belief. Thus it is impossible to prove otherwise to Dave. He will...

I'm not letting this ride. You are lying. Either show the post where I said this, or apologize.

Again: I didn't. And I do not classify all Christians as liars either, just because a few are.