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So the choice is clear: 1. Don't take Genesis literally 2. Ignore inconvenient facts. And yes- they are facts!

Dave, you are not being consistent. I am here because I am a fool.. A fool for thinking it possible to drum some common sense into you.

Dave, Someone is logically incorrect here- but it isn't me. Several times during this discussion you have pushed aside arguments as being "against the person", and not being related to the facts. By linking the question of a flat earth to the theological viewpoint of those who claim such a...

Dave, You are mixing up cosmology with belief systems. The Earth is either flat or a globe. It makes no difference whether the people who claim one of these options are Christians, atheists, Zoroastrians or Martians. The Earth is either flat or a globe, irrespective of who thinks what or what...

Why? And what do you mean by "stationary?"

Some are rational. You ignore far too much. And it remains that the earth being flat or a globe is a question of fact. It makes no difference if quantum mechanics, relativity, space-time continuum, multiuniverses, Christianity or Jainism are true or not. It is all irrelevant. You are clouding up...

Dave, nothing you wrote in this post is relevant to the topic at hand. And you know it. The Earth is either flat, or a globe. The history of cosmology, relativity, quantum mechanics and all the rest are not relevant. And you know it full well. While you completely ignore the rational inputs of...

This is not the place for such a discussion. Still, though I agree that they are mathematical constructs, and often do not explain "why", but only "how", I do not see it as some kind of flaw. Newton's gravity is "just a mathematical construct". So what?

Dave, I wouldn't buy a used car from you.

Dave, You keep mentioning the fact that this gentleman is a truck driver, as if it had some bearing on the issue or the facts. It doesn't. Since you are a religious man, I would have expected you to have some respect for all humans, since God created us all. And if you have had any life...

No. This is not true.

Do you think relativity and quantum mechanics (specifically) are real scientific theories, or nothing more than mathematical constructs and speculation?

I tend to agree that string theory, multiuniverses and the like are mathematical speculations. That doesn't turn relativity or quantum mechanics - or gravity, for that matter, into "faith-based" ideas.

Dave. Physics is not "faith based". Really really. Truly. Even without youtube videos. It is based on observation and experiments. Relativity is not just something that "Einstein dreamed up". Nor is it dependent on Einsteins faith or lack of faith. It is a theory that explains real facts-...

Physics and reason do go together. But the result is not always intuitive.

“Multiple exclamation marks,' he went on, shaking his head, 'are a sure sign of a diseased mind.” Terry Pratchett, Eric

Dave, please! There is nothing wrong with Einstein's theory of relativity. It is a legitimate scientific theory, and has a lot of evidence supporting it. And it is not necessary in the least in order to show that the Earth is a globe. You are confusing all sorts of things here. The idea of...

Dave, Please try to get your facts straight. As you said- Aristarchus of Samos did not show that the earth was a globe. Nor was he trying to. That was Eratosthenes. The drawing you showed is simple trigonometry. It makes no difference what shape the Earth is for it to work. edit: I see others...

Dave, Just get to the point, without this silliness. People have put many many hours into this topic- don't waste more time with games.

Dave, this is simply false. And I think you know it quite well. But let's see your summary.