Zero Americans killed by terrorist attacks from banned countries

way 2 go

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So peaceful.


the true to the pagan religion muslims so peaceful



During this time period, (last 30 days)
there were 159 Islamic attacks in 26 countries, in which 1114 people were killed and 1350 injured.


2017.01.13 Hasakah Syria - Two men are crucified by the Islamic State.
I2017.01.13 Kirkuk Iraq A woman and her four children are set on fire for wanting to leave the caliphate.
 

Tinark

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Who's word are we taking? Does ISIS have a passport office you can call?
I can see tremendous challenges for people trying to prove who they are and what they've been doing lately when their country has been blown up repeatedly and battle lines have drifted back and forth and that's a shame for the innocent but it's still a challenge.
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Why don't you research state department policy on vetting these people rather than arguing from a position of ignorance and acting like it's a valid argument?
 

Danoh

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True Islam is about as peaceful as Old Testament Judaism was when it was whiping out people different from them and claiming their land as their own.

It is that, warmed over.

But that is not what most Muslims believe or practice.

Theirs is a version that part of which is not adhered to.

This is why they say it is a religion of peace.

It is not.

It is a religion of conquest by the Sword.

Thus, so called Radicalized Islam is the actual religion.

But again, most Muslims are not aware of this - they are like most Christians - who do not really know their Bibles beyond a few Sunday school stories.

It's weird; the radical ones are more like what happens when a North American grabs the Old Testament and concludes it's direction still applies.

Get out there people. Talk to Muslims. See and hear for yourselves. Quit being so ignorant of this issue you then conclude your voice on is sound.

I know all this from Evangelizing among them.

When was the last time any of you did that much and with any consistency?

Those people are lost. What a travesty to send them back to their religion without our supposed answer.

Trump a Christian - yeah; sure.

And Pence is Old Testatment nuts.
 

fool

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Why don't you research state department policy on vetting these people rather than arguing from a position of ignorance and acting like it's a valid argument?

Why don't you get elected POTUS and then people might care what you think.
 

Ktoyou

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This is only the first week - how long will it take for Trump supporters to realize that this isn't what they signed on for and that he lacks the temperament and political skills to be president?

I was not a strong supporter of Trump, ask Rocketman. Many I know who desired lower taxes were supporting Trump.
 

ok doser

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This is only the first week - how long will it take for Trump supporters to realize that this isn't what they signed on for and that he lacks the temperament and political skills to be president?

and if that happens, what do you expect next?

a do-over on the election?
 

kmoney

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Who's word are we taking? Does ISIS have a passport office you can call?
I can see tremendous challenges for people trying to prove who they are and what they've been doing lately when their country has been blown up repeatedly and battle lines have drifted back and forth and that's a shame for the innocent but it's still a challenge.
I'm not trying to deny that this would be difficult when an area is in chaos but I think you may be missing something in what is already done. Here is the current process:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/29/us/refugee-vetting-process.html?_r=0

1. Registration with the United Nations.
2. Interview with the United Nations.
3. Refugee status granted by the United Nations.
4. Referral for resettlement in the United States.
The United Nations decides if the person fits the definition of a refugee and whether to refer the person to the United States or to another country for resettlement. Only the most vulnerable are referred, accounting for less than than 1 percent of refugees worldwide. Some people spend years waiting in refugee camps.

5. Interview with State Department contractors.

6. First background check.
7. Higher-level background check for some.
8. Another background check.
The refugee’s name is run through law enforcement and intelligence databases for terrorist or criminal history. Some go through a higher-level clearance before they can continue. A third background check was introduced in 2008 for Iraqis but has since been expanded to all refugees ages 14 to 65.

9. First fingerprint screening; photo taken.
10. Second fingerprint screening.
11. Third fingerprint screening.
The refugee’s fingerprints are screened against F.B.I. and Homeland Security databases, which contain watch list information and past immigration encounters, including if the refugee previously applied for a visa at a United States embassy. Fingerprints are also checked against those collected by the Defense Department during operations in Iraq.

12. Case reviewed at United States immigration headquarters.
13. Some cases referred for additional review.
Syrian applicants must undergo these two additional steps. Each is reviewed by a United States Citizenship and Immigration Services refugee specialist. Cases with “national security indicators” are given to the Homeland Security Department’s fraud detection unit.

14. Extensive, in-person interview with Homeland Security officer.
Most of the interviews with Syrians have been done in Jordan and Turkey.

15. Homeland Security approval is required.
16. Screening for contagious diseases.
17. Cultural orientation class.
18. Matched with an American resettlement agency.
19. Multi-agency security check before leaving for the United States.
Because of the long amount of time between the initial screening and departure, officials conduct a final check before the refugee leaves for the United States.

20. Final security check at an American airport.



Seems pretty rigorous already. Also note that priority goes to the most vulnerable, which I imagine are not the same groups who would be most likely to be violent extremists.


Here is a look at what the Trump team may be going after.
http://kanw.com/post/trump-backers-want-ideology-test-extreme-vetting

"It means a kind of ideological screening to keep out people who hate a free society even if they are not violent," says Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington think tank that supports tighter controls on immigration. Krikorian met with Trump during the campaign and backs the president's executive order as a "corrective" to the vetting system in place during the Obama years.

President Trump signed an executive order suspending the State Department's refugee assistance program for 120 days until "extreme" vetting can be put in place.

In an interview with NPR, Krikorian said he backs an ideological test that poses questions for refugees in the vetting process including, in his words, "Do you think it's okay to kill apostates? Do you think it's okay to throw gays off of buildings? Or if Islam's Prophet Muhammad is insulted, there should be a punishment?"

If a refugee says yes to any of these questions, says Krikorian, "Then we don't want you here."

Trump's executive order on immigration appears to refer to these views by declaring the United States should keep out those with "hostile attitudes toward it and its founding principles" and "those who would place violent ideologies over American law."



But some concerns.
"It's clearly Muslim-targeted," says Muna Jondy, a Michigan immigration lawyer of Syrian descent who's been fielding frantic calls from refugee families in the U.S. whose relatives are now barred from joining them.

She points out the refugee screening process already targets those with extreme Islamist views via counter-terrorism vetting, which checks for links to radical Islamist groups.
...

In a broad sense, tests of attitudes aren't unprecedented. Doris Meissner, a former commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, notes that an ideological test for newcomers is "deeply embedded" in U.S. history. The U.S. barred anarchists in 1903. During the Cold War, she says, "It was people who believed in communism. It's still in our law."

But Meissner points out these ideological tests have not had the desired outcome, because over time, the tests "have proven to be poorly equipped to actually predict what people are going to do." And it gets more complex when the beliefs straddle the line between politics and religion.

Meissner compares Trump supporters' fear of sharia law and their view that it's at odds with the U.S. system with the fears and debates surrounding the candidacy of John F. Kennedy in the early 1960s. Kennedy was Catholic and his detractors feared that if elected, the American president would be taking orders from the Pope.

"Then, JFK made his well-known statement about his personal faith and his responsibility to the civil system," Meissner says.

For Muslim activists, the idea of a test targeting their beliefs is alarming. Wilfredo A. Ruiz, a Muslim convert and spokesman for the Council on American Islamic Relations, an advocacy group, says invasive and subjective questioning about religious beliefs already takes place at airports by border patrol agents.

"The questions are now more specific," he says. "Are you Sunni or Shiite? Are you acquainted with Wahhabism? Do you have a Quran in your luggage?"

Ruiz says he's filed dozens of complaints in the past few weeks with the Department of Homeland Security for what he calls intrusive questioning of Muslim travelers. His clients often comply, he says, handing over their passwords to cell phones and social media because refusing would result in a long wait and missed flights.

"People need to know this is going on," he says, noting that civil liberties groups are working together, sending squads of lawyers to airports in support of passengers detained for questioning. "They no longer see it as a Muslim cause," he says. "Jews, Hispanics, African-Americans — everyone is asking, who's next?"





And in the current process step #17 is a 'culture orientation class'. I imagine that some of those ideological questions are handled at that time. I also find it a little ironic that conservatives are advocating something like that. When it comes to gun rights they are quick to say that new rules only hurt law-abiding citizens and will do nothing for criminals. A similar idea might apply here. Do you really expect a jihadist to tell a US agent that they want to throw gays off buildings or behead non-Muslims? :freak: I understand it's probably more complex than that, because of lie-detecting techniques and perhaps trying to screen for potential radicalization but on the surface it seems sort of funny to rely on asking people if they are going to be extremists. :eek:
 

Angel4Truth

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Which particular command of your god allowed for Islam to rise? Shouldn't we know that so that nothing like it appears again?

1) abraham shouldnt have tried to force Gods word on a son by sleeping with amother women
2) Israel more than once was commanded to make a full end to many - and instead of killing them all, kept their women and children and animals and items.

If you need more, get a bible and start reading.
 

Angel4Truth

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Jesus ordered his followers to feed the needy and take in strangers in foreign lands.

Chapter and verse?

So, if you call yourself a Christian, on what grounds do you withhold those things from people who are needy?

Waiting for your scriptures and ive already stated i agree with what the bible says and agree with legal immigration. I asked again if you were aware of what it says to the stranger who wants to come made their place. They have commands to follow.

You libs quote what you dont know and dont understand and cherry picking wont help you here. Those who would not honor God were to be removed.
 

rexlunae

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Chapter and verse?



Waiting for your scriptures and ive already stated i agree with what the bible says and agree with legal immigration. I asked again if you were aware of what it says to the stranger who wants to come made their place. They have commands to follow.

You libs quote what you dont know and dont understand and cherry picking wont help you here. Those who would not honor God were to be removed.

Matthew 25:40-46
 
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