WOOT WOOT DONALD TRUMP IN MOBILE ALABAMA NOW!

[annabenedetti]

I have read similar articles, Anna. Real white nationalists know that Trump is not one of them. They know Trump's words about "menace of illegal immigration" are only superfically similar to White Nationalist beliefs.

And yet over and over that's what I'm hearing from his supporters, and one of the supremacists stated it well: "Trump, on a gut level, kind of senses that this is about demographics, ultimately. We’re moving into a new America." He said, 'I don’t think Trump is a white nationalist,' but he did believe that Trump reflected 'an unconscious vision that white people have—that their grandchildren might be a hated minority in their own country. I think that scares us. They probably aren’t able to articulate it. I think it’s there. I think that, to a great degree, explains the Trump phenomenon. I think he is the one person who can tap into it.'"

Trump is resonating with the apocalyptic tendencies of many conservatives who see him as the country's last great hope, and one of the biggest issues within that apocalyptic vision of a staggering, imploding America is immigration, so yes, there's more there that might just be too uncomfortable for a lot of his supporters to admit to.

 

[jgarden]

The South was never known for its intelligence.

Sorry Townie and SOJ. lain:

Donald Trump is just another example as to why one should never overestimate the intelligence of the average conservative!

 

[MarcATL]

During his tenure:

We went from a creditor nation to a debtor nation, largely because Reagan decided that "deficits don't matter", and so he cut taxes and raised expenditures.

Then, when it became clear that a disaster was looming, he gave us the largest middle-class tax increase in history.

And he gave us the most corrupt administration in U.S. history, based on the number of presidential appointees, convicted, pardoned, or indicted for crimes related to their performance in office.

Granite is right; the decline was underway before Reagan; he just hastened things more than any other president.

I would say that Reagan USHERED IN the political decline that lead to what we have today.

Yeah, that was some rally.

‘White power!': Trump’s Alabama ‘pep rally’ brings out folks who want to shoot ‘illegals’ at the border

 

[Granite]

I have read similar articles, Anna. Real white nationalists know that Trump is not one of them. They know Trump's words about "menace of illegal immigration" are only superfically similar to White Nationalist beliefs.

He's opened the door, however, and made this kind of ugliness more and more acceptable.

 

[chrysostom]

He's opened the door, however, and made this kind of ugliness more and more acceptable.

I hate it when I have to agree with you

 

[The Berean]

And yet over and over that's what I'm hearing from his supporters, and one of the supremacists stated it well: "Trump, on a gut level, kind of senses that this is about demographics, ultimately. We’re moving into a new America." He said, 'I don’t think Trump is a white nationalist,' but he did believe that Trump reflected 'an unconscious vision that white people have—that their grandchildren might be a hated minority in their own country. I think that scares us. They probably aren’t able to articulate it. I think it’s there. I think that, to a great degree, explains the Trump phenomenon. I think he is the one person who can tap into it.'"

Trump is resonating with the apocalyptic tendencies of many conservatives who see him as the country's last great hope, and one of the biggest issues within that apocalyptic vision of a staggering, imploding America is immigration, so yes, there's more there that might just be too uncomfortable for a lot of his supporters to admit to.

The conservative/liberal dichotomy is no longer accruate IMO. Recently, I have been researching white nationalism to better understand the views of this group of people. One thing I have learned is that white nationalists have very diverse political leanings. To describe white nationalism as "conservative" is inacurate IMO. There are many, many socially liberal white nationalists. Also, white nationalists tend NOT to trust either of the major political parties. They don't support the Republican Party very much. Many white nationalists despise or hate Christianity as well.

I plan to read this book when I get a chance.

Confessions of a Reluctant Hater

One of the reviews was really interesting.

This is an ideal introduction to White Nationalism, particularly if you are somewhat socially liberal.

Greg Johnson's CONFESSIONS OF A RELUCTANT HATER really speaks to me, particularly his essay "West Coast White Nationalism." I am a racially aware white Californian, a White Nationalist.

YET, for all that, I am a West Coast person, with everything that goes along with that: I am a vegan, an environmentalist, a social liberal, a strong advocate of zoning and historical preservation, and a practicing Buddhist. Aside from my political concerns, I have very little in common with Southerners or Midwesterners or New Englanders, bless them, particularly the right wingers.

So I am glad to see that there are other people who realize that white identity politics needs to grow beyond the confines of the cultural and political right if we are to attain intellectual and political hegemony.

So this idea that white nationalists types are all backwoods, rural, conservative, Southerners simply doesn't apply anyomore in the 21st century. It never really did. The author of this book has a Ph.D by the way.

 

[Ktoyou]

The conservative/liberal dichotomy is no longer accruate IMO. Recently, I have researching white nationalism to better understand the views of this group of people. One thing I have learned is that white nationalists have very diverse political leanings. To describe white nationalism as "conservative" is inacurate IMO. There are many, many socially liberal white nationalists. Also, white nationalists tend NOT to trust either of the major political parties. They don't support the Republican Party very much. Many white nationalists despise or hate Christianity as well. .....

I did read the rest. There are still some who claim the white supremacist is based on Christianity. They are quite ignorant.

This new group seems more pernicious; they seem to be a fearful lot. Punks, they are punks!

 

[annabenedetti]

The conservative/liberal dichotomy is no longer accruate IMO. Recently, I have researching white nationalism to better understand the views of this group of people. One thing I have learned is that white nationalists have very diverse political leanings. To describe white nationalism as "conservative" is inacurate IMO. There are many, many socially liberal white nationalists. Also, white nationalists tend NOT to trust either of the major political parties. They don't support the Republican Party very much. Many white nationalists despise or hate Christianity as well.

I plan to read this book when I get a chance.

Confessions of a Reluctant Hater

One of the reviews was really interesting.

This is an ideal introduction to White Nationalism, particularly if you are somewhat socially liberal.

Greg Johnson's CONFESSIONS OF A RELUCTANT HATER really speaks to me, particularly his essay "West Coast White Nationalism." I am a racially aware white Californian, a White Nationalist.

YET, for all that, I am a West Coast person, with everything that goes along with that: I am a vegan, an environmentalist, a social liberal, a strong advocate of zoning and historical preservation, and a practicing Buddhist. Aside from my political concerns, I have very little in common with Southerners or Midwesterners or New Englanders, bless them, particularly the right wingers.

So I am glad to see that there are other people who realize that white identity politics needs to grow beyond the confines of the cultural and political right if we are to attain intellectual and political hegemony.

Thanks, that was interesting. In trying to learn more about the author, I came across a website where he's the editor in chief. Here's one of the FAQs he answers:

16. What is the relationship of the NANR to conservatism? Most White Nationalists in North America develop out of the conservative movement or milieu. For instance, I was a libertarian, then a conservative, then a White Nationalist, and now I am a member of the Racially-Conscious Left. (Of course, both American conservatism and libertarianism are ultimately species of liberalism.) The reason that White Nationalists develop out of conservatism is that conservatism itself is not an adequate framework for the preservation of the white race. It is not intellectually adequate, because it is beholden to race-blind universalism and egalitarianism. It is not institutionally adequate, because even if the conservative movement would fight for our race, it loses every important battle. Unfortunately, most White Nationalists are not fully weaned from conservatism. Thus the NANR is highly critical of conservatism, because we wish to speed along the evolution of White Nationalism into a genuine alternative to the present system. ​

I'm still looking for biographical information though, so I'll keep searching, and I appreciate your giving me a good stepping off point on the subject in general.

So this idea that white nationalists types are all backwoods, rural, conservative, Southerners simply doesn't apply anyomore in the 21st century. It never really did. The author of this book has a Ph.D by the way.

Hmm... I don't know. It's good not to broadbrush so I'd agree that white nationalists aren't by definition "all" of the above, but there are assumptions that can be supported.

Living on the West Coast myself, there are places in my county that are known areas where skinheads are up front and proud. They banned any apparel, decals, etc. with iron cross logos at a local high school here in an effort to prevent problems, and you've probably heard about certain parts of Idaho and Montana, so the West has its share, no argument there. In general, they wouldn't necessarily be backwoods or rural, but there's definitely a nationalistic, nativist kind of conservatism going on. They're often the bros driving the big pickups with the Gadsen flag or the stars and stripes or the iron cross or some combination of the three.

In thinking about people I know in real life who I'd consider bigots at the very least, they come from the West Coast, the Midwest, and the South. In thinking that through it's actually pretty interesting to see the geographical range, but what unites all of them is their conservatism, with one being so ultra right as to be downright fascist.

 

[rainee]

I never said I was smarter than anyone. I did say the south does not show up as any mental giant when it comes to IQ scores. Does that mean the great-great grandson of a slave owner knows more than a city-dweller on everything? Of course not.

The biggest predictor of intelligence is based on the wealth and the education level of one's parents. In that respect, I lucked out.

I am stupid at many things, but I am not dumb. I can learn. And my educational studies showed me how to learn.

.

I think "intelligence" can mean several different things...
I've seen pets who were smarter than average in my opinion.

And I think there can be different kinds of smarts in humans. Which means an uneducated slave in the South may have been smarter than his/her master and everyone in the NorthEast.

I'm not going to get caught up in intelligence because after working with the institutionalized mentally retarded people who were also decided to be a danger to themselves or others I believe God makes everything more than we estimate them to be in many ways.

And there is more to being the best human than being the smartest one, right? Anyway sometimes mental illness shows up with high IQ'd people it seems, how sad is that?

But I am glad you are smart and I agree with you: being able to learn is priceless, yes?

 

[The Barbarian]

"National Socialism" started out socialist. Like that white vegan racist. But it ended up as far right as it's possible to be. Unions crushed, industrialists given free reign, socialists tossed into concentration camps.

Koch paradise.

 

[rainee]

Hi Berean, I see you and Anna are discussing something that I would like to add something to...
I think immigrants, pioneers, land settlers, and those like these are going to maybe have certain mental strengths and weaknesses - and this country's whites are often coming from people like this or may be that themselves.

I'm not sure what kind of people leave their homelands, cultures, extended family and friends and go to the unknown... But anyway I just throw that out there. Thanks.

The conservative/liberal dichotomy is no longer accruate IMO. Recently, I have been researching white nationalism to better understand the views of this group of people. One thing I have learned is that white nationalists have very diverse political leanings. To describe white nationalism as "conservative" is inacurate IMO. There are many, many socially liberal white nationalists. Also, white nationalists tend NOT to trust either of the major political parties. They don't support the Republican Party very much. Many white nationalists despise or hate Christianity as well.

I plan to read this book when I get a chance.

Confessions of a Reluctant Hater

One of the reviews was really interesting.

This is an ideal introduction to White Nationalism, particularly if you are somewhat socially liberal.

Greg Johnson's CONFESSIONS OF A RELUCTANT HATER really speaks to me, particularly his essay "West Coast White Nationalism." I am a racially aware white Californian, a White Nationalist.

YET, for all that, I am a West Coast person, with everything that goes along with that: I am a vegan, an environmentalist, a social liberal, a strong advocate of zoning and historical preservation, and a practicing Buddhist. Aside from my political concerns, I have very little in common with Southerners or Midwesterners or New Englanders, bless them, particularly the right wingers.

So I am glad to see that there are other people who realize that white identity politics needs to grow beyond the confines of the cultural and political right if we are to attain intellectual and political hegemony.

So this idea that white nationalists types are all backwoods, rural, conservative, Southerners simply doesn't apply anyomore in the 21st century. It never really did. The author of this book has a Ph.D by the way.

 

[annabenedetti]

Hi Berean, I see you and Anna are discussing something that I would like to add something to...
I think immigrants, pioneers, land settlers, and those like these are going to maybe have certain mental strengths and weaknesses - and this country's whites are often coming from people like this or may be that themselves.

I'm not sure what kind of people leave their homelands, cultures, extended family and friends and go to the unknown... But anyway I just throw that out there. Thanks.

Every single person without exception has certain mental strengths and weaknesses, whether they're an immigrant or not. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

 

[Bright Raven]

"Old News"

 

[Kdall]

Maybe the greatest thing I've ever seen: https://vine.co/v/edrOxZUtAaa

And another: https://vine.co/v/eIu7JPQK1uT

 

[The Barbarian]

Hi Berean, I see you and Anna are discussing something that I would like to add something to...
I think immigrants, pioneers, land settlers, and those like these are going to maybe have certain mental strengths and weaknesses - and this country's whites are often coming from people like this or may be that themselves.

I'm not sure what kind of people leave their homelands, cultures, extended family and friends and go to the unknown... But anyway I just throw that out there. Thanks.

Pioneers are a good thing in a society. It's always worked for America.

 

[rocketman]

"National Socialism" started out socialist. Like that white vegan racist. But it ended up as far right as it's possible to be. Unions crushed, industrialists given free reign, socialists tossed into concentration camps.

Koch paradise.

Or Obama paradise...take your pick, the Kochs or Soros, both sides want the same thing...control over people. This current dose of nationalism is brought to by those that have pushed their progressive liberal socialism to the point that the people will accept nationalism to rid themselves of progressives on the left & right and yes, the republicrats are sleeping in the same bed as the Demicans. Trump is the byproduct of progressive liberal rejection pure & simple...they paved the road for him.

 

[THall]

you can fool some of the people all the time

Like when the majority of Republicans voted
for fake Republicans McCain and Romney,
two elections in a row and still lost?

Trump is a winner, and the Republican establishment
candidate is a loser, and that is all you need to know.

 

[rocketman]

And yet over and over that's what I'm hearing from his supporters, and one of the supremacists stated it well: "Trump, on a gut level, kind of senses that this is about demographics, ultimately. We’re moving into a new America." He said, 'I don’t think Trump is a white nationalist,' but he did believe that Trump reflected 'an unconscious vision that white people have—that their grandchildren might be a hated minority in their own country. I think that scares us. They probably aren’t able to articulate it. I think it’s there. I think that, to a great degree, explains the Trump phenomenon. I think he is the one person who can tap into it.'"

Sounds like a bunch of boloney, written by someone trying to understand what people are feeling from a liberal POV. People in this country have watched this progressive liberal turd of a president go around the world apologizing for our place in it, Americans are winners we don't like losing culturally speaking, we do believe in the rule of law, and the constitution and this president & others before him have undermined the fabric of the nation & it's laws...they are lawless. If you think that this illegal alien infestation is not the single issue that is driving Trumps campaign you would be dead wrong. In the end trying to understand what the groundswell of attraction to the man is can be summed up in the one issue that he is promising to fix, you can say it's wrong, you can disagree but, I believe at least from what I have seen & read is the people are angry & done with this lawlessness.

[/B]Trump is resonating with the apocalyptic tendencies of many conservatives who see him as the country's last great hope, and one of the biggest issues within that apocalyptic vision of a staggering, imploding America is immigration, so yes, there's more there that might just be too uncomfortable for a lot of his supporters to admit to.

In some respects this may be true Anna, the people do not know where to turn given both parties are failures, and refuse to govern as the people have wished, in fact they have went in the opposite direction of the people in many ways so, along comes a man pandering to no special interest, running on his own dime, bashing the establishments of both parties, their candidates, the media, calling out them all in a fashion that may seem ugly to some but, he has hit the right nerves to create a groundswell of support. That one issue...illegal immigration is the one issue that people do agree with him and they dismiss the rest I think.

 

[Town Heretic]

The South was never known for its intelligence.

Sorry Townie and SOJ. lain:

It's okay, kmo, we're accustomed to being underestimated by our neighbors north and west. :chuckle: But this nations only original art form, an amazing amount of great art in general, NASA and a rich history of intellectual accomplishment across a good bit of academia may have been mistaken under the drawl. Or maybe it's the bright lights of athletic accomplishment that blinds you to a richer, more vibrant people.

For those near Kansas City, football is a game where the object is to cross a chalk line with a ball, repeatedly, in order to outscore an opposing force. I think that part may have been left out of your manual.

 

[Granite]

It's okay, kmo, we're accustomed to being underestimated by our neighbors north and west. :chuckle: But this nations only original art form, an amazing amount of great art in general, NASA and a rich history of intellectual accomplishment across a good bit of academia may have been mistaken under the drawl. Or maybe it's the bright lights of athletic accomplishment that blinds you to a richer, more vibrant people.

For those near Kansas City, football is a game where the object is to cross a chalk line with a ball, repeatedly, in order to outscore an opposing force. I think that part may have been left out of your manual.

It's all right, Town. I'd never call a southerner stupid to their face.:chuckle:

Hard to beat jazz and the literature.:cheers: